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Old 04-02-2011, 08:15 PM    (permalink
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Are you? They didn't freaking rule him ineligible because they thought he did anything wrong; they ruled him ineligible because it was a deal that was already made behind the scenes with the NCAA, a deal that was extremely beneficial for Auburn. Why do you think the NCAA overturned his eligibility so quickly? It was pre-planned.
So he was declared ineligible because he didn't break any rules? Makes perfect sense.
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So he was declared ineligible because he didn't break any rules? Makes perfect sense.
Come on, how many ONE DAY NCAA suspensions have you ever heard of before?? It was symbolic if anything else, and not punitive.
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naworicki is whom? who gives a flock what anyone says about a prospect unless he is a decision maker for one of the 32 teams. I think the same of newton but I dont work for some website like this clown.
You, me, we all give a "flock" what people like him, Kiper, Scott, etc. say about prospects before and after drafts. Don't kid yourself.

As for a GM of one of the 32 teams opinions: those types of people, and scouts, are who off-the-record gave these opinions on Newton to Nawricki.
He admitted he got these things from those people, not from his own interactions.

You don't really expect these GMs and scouts for teams to reveal in public, on the record, their opinions of prospects before a draft.
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You, me, we all give a "flock" what people like him, Kiper, Scott, etc. say about prospects before and after drafts. Don't kid yourself.

As for a GM of one of the 32 teams opinions: those types of people, and scouts, are who off-the-record gave these opinions on Newton to Nawricki.
He admitted he got these things from those people, not from his own interactions.

You don't really expect these GMs and scouts for teams to reveal in public, on the record, their opinions of prospects before a draft.
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So who has (Nawrocki) talked to? He says heís talking to decision makers. We have the No. 1 pick. He hasnít talked to me.Ē
- Panthers GM Mark Hurney.

He also claims that he knew about the Reggie Bush scandal before anyone else but choose to withhold the information and he knows secret information about Cam Newton that could hurt his stock but is also withholding it.

I could say I am talking to GMs and scouts but i guess you would not believe me unless I sold a draft book.
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You, me, we all give a "flock" what people like him, Kiper, Scott, etc. say about prospects before and after drafts. Don't kid yourself.

As for a GM of one of the 32 teams opinions: those types of people, and scouts, are who off-the-record gave these opinions on Newton to Nawricki.
He admitted he got these things from those people, not from his own interactions.

You don't really expect these GMs and scouts for teams to reveal in public, on the record, their opinions of prospects before a draft.
Well he should have been more specific most fans don't give two shits about what most non famous people have to say aoutside of Keiper MAyock and Wright (etc) have to say but more people who follow the draft know who to listen to and who to ignore and this guy isn't one of them. Now if Cam is an up predictable bust. (IE if he goes to Cinci = Bust if he goes to Buffalo .. maybe not so much.
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I think what some people haven't put together is that Nawrocki works for Pro Football Weekly. They have been in the NFL and scouting news business for a long time and aren't just some new to the scene internet site. They have been gathering sources inside the NFL for decades and just like other news outlets they protect their sources. It is key to their business.

When a guy like Hurney says that Nawrocki didn't talk to him it doesn't mean much when their are hundreds of other sources from inside the league to glean information from. I am curious why Hurney felt a need to deny he had any part of being a source for this report. He didn't deny that it could have come from inside his office though.
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WOW it seems Saint Gabbert has some character issues as well. I don't remember Cam Newton drinking underage and getting into bar fights.

Character issues are way overblown on Newton.

The truth is if this was Newton right now people would be saying he should be drafted in the second round. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Some out of town thugs "in their 30s" attack Tyler Gabbert at a restaurant because he "took too long in the washroom". Blaine stepping in to protect his brother was the extent of his involvement. No alchohol tests were taken, no charges laid, and the only one contemplated was against the guy who sucker punched Blaine's younger brother. The Gabberts decided to let it go.

How does that compare to a proven theif, liar, cheat, and probable PED abuser based on his appearance in Newton?
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I think what some people haven't put together is that Nawrocki works for Pro Football Weekly. They have been in the NFL and scouting news business for a long time and aren't just some new to the scene internet site. They have been gathering sources inside the NFL for decades and just like other news outlets they protect their sources. It is key to their business.

When a guy like Hurney says that Nawrocki didn't talk to him it doesn't mean much when their are hundreds of other sources from inside the league to glean information from. I am curious why Hurney felt a need to deny he had any part of being a source for this report. He didn't deny that it could have come from inside his office though.
Good points. Anyone here who is serious about digging on prospects and who looks for "expert" opinions should know Nawrocki's name and status in the business. If you don't, you aren't as serious as you think you are. Television is not the only media outlet for solid sources of information.
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it is kinda interesting that when Gabbert fights (in 2010) it's all "Boys will be boys" but Newton's getting dinged for having a "fake smile"

what if Newton got into a fight at a pizza parlor? they'd be raking him over the coals for it

it's definitely a double standard and the reason why the NCAA could not keep Newton ineligible is that there's absolutely no evidence of what he's accused of... everyone accepts that not only did Newtons dad take money but Newton knew about it, but there's no evidence of either.
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it is kinda interesting that when Gabbert fights (in 2010) it's all "Boys will be boys" but Newton's getting dinged for having a "fake smile"

what if Newton got into a fight at a pizza parlor? they'd be raking him over the coals for it

it's definitely a double standard and the reason why the NCAA could not keep Newton ineligible is that there's absolutely no evidence of what he's accused of... everyone accepts that not only did Newtons dad take money but Newton knew about it, but there's no evidence of either.
Nice straw man argument. No one is comparing Gabbert getting into a fight to Cam Newton's smile. The concerns people have with Newton are the allegations of him cheating, stealing and taking money. Any one of those things on its own would raise a red flag, just like I'm sure NFL teams are asking Gabbert about the fight. College kids do dumb things, its accepted, and if its an isolated incident like Gabbert's appears to be you can chalk it up to him being a moron. In Newton's case you have multiple incidents and a pattern of bad decision making, how people can ignore these issues and make excuses for the guy is nothing short of mind blowing.
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Everyone knows bitonti is right.

If Newton was in any kind of off-campus fight people would be ready for him to be incarcerated.

Gabbert's 'altercation' may indeed be no big deal, but public perception about a prospect's character gives certain individuals the benefit of the doubt.
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Who mentioned race??

If Mallett got into a fight, people would be saying, 'typical'.

If Luck gets into a fight at Stanford, folks will be hoping he didn't hurt himself.

It's hard for any player, Black or White, to overcome their rep, good or bad.

It's similar to Marvin Harrison and that shooting in Philly last year. Here's a guy who had a pristine Boy Scout rep in the NFL, to the point that when his name was initially implicated, IMO most fans had already cleared him of any blame.

Just depends on the guy.

Njx9, relax. You are literally seething.lol
Don't be so quick to find something to be pissed off about.
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it is kinda interesting that when Gabbert fights (in 2010) it's all "Boys will be boys" but Newton's getting dinged for having a "fake smile"

what if Newton got into a fight at a pizza parlor? they'd be raking him over the coals for it

it's definitely a double standard and the reason why the NCAA could not keep Newton ineligible is that there's absolutely no evidence of what he's accused of... everyone accepts that not only did Newtons dad take money but Newton knew about it, but there's no evidence of either.
I gotta disagree. If Gabbert had been arrested, caught cheating and basically expelled from one school while also getting himself involved in a very questionable situation with that NCAA that puts a national championship at risk I think we'd be raking Gabbert over the coals too. My question is why wasn't this Gabbert fight getting talked about until now while Jimmy Clausen got sucker-punched and it was immediately leading SportsCenter?
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I gotta disagree. If Gabbert had been arrested, caught cheating and basically expelled from one school while also getting himself involved in a very questionable situation with that NCAA that puts a national championship at risk I think we'd be raking Gabbert over the coals too. My question is why wasn't this Gabbert fight getting talked about until now while Jimmy Clausen got sucker-punched and it was immediately leading SportsCenter?
people conflate Newton's behavior as an 18 year old with the "scandal" when he was 21 I don't see any correlation. He went to JC and grew up.

We all know Newton made mistakes at Florida. But that's old news. the "scandal" at Auburn is a joke. Taking money?

Jeez i hope taking money to play football doesn't interfere with his ability to play professional football... for MONEY!
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I gotta disagree. If Gabbert had been arrested, caught cheating and basically expelled from one school while also getting himself involved in a very questionable situation with that NCAA that puts a national championship at risk I think we'd be raking Gabbert over the coals too. My question is why wasn't this Gabbert fight getting talked about until now while Jimmy Clausen got sucker-punched and it was immediately leading SportsCenter?
Scott, we already went through this. Clausen didn't get sucker-punched, it was just a fabricated story to cover up the real reason.

Please, stop ignoring the facts I previously presented on the matter.
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I gotta disagree. If Gabbert had been arrested, caught cheating and basically expelled from one school while also getting himself involved in a very questionable situation with that NCAA that puts a national championship at risk I think we'd be raking Gabbert over the coals too. My question is why wasn't this Gabbert fight getting talked about until now while Jimmy Clausen got sucker-punched and it was immediately leading SportsCenter?
While I'm not defending Newton and his obvious issues. But the reason why Gabbert isn't really getting his business thrown out there is because he was a pretty big surprise to come out this season. Jimmy was a "star" at Notre Dame and also had at least been thought of coming out after his junior year. The same is true with Cam this gives reporters more time to get information. Gabbert really had a two month head start on major screwtiny. The same will happen to Luck this season people will look for reasons not to like him.
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i'm not pissed off and i'm certainly not 'literally seething'. i'm disgusted by the quality level that this has taken since the newton fanboys decided to take up warren moon's call to arms. again, why are we talking about a hypothetical fight? who gives a ****? if the best defense you can give for a guy is "well, if he did X, everyone would *really* hate him," it should be pretty clear that there's literally nothing left about the guy that's actually worth defending.

I NEVER argued race was a factor about why certain player's have a good or bad reputation.
The mere mention of 'race' does not mean it's being used as an excuse.

Some White players have a crap rep, some Black players have a saintly rep.

That was the point I was making, njx9. For you to deliberately read a racial angle into it or claim that's what I was doing, is wrong.

You seem like a pretty sharp guy most of the time, njx9, how you missed such a simple idea I was attempting to express is disappointing.:(

People are inclined to think the worst about Newton, I don't think that's making excuses for him. That's simply my personal observation.

Newton bought a stolen laptop at UF, perhaps knowingly, but how many times is it reported that Newton STOLE a laptop at Florida??

Even Nawrocki wrote up in his report that Newton stole a laptop, which is absolutely false.

Buying stolen merchandise and being guilty of breaking an entering are vastly different crimes, one of which IMO is completely indefensible.

People repeatedly make this 'mistake' because they are inclined to think the worst about Newton instead of being accurate about the facts.

Why do some call him a 'thug'???

I don't have a problem with Gabbert allegedly in a physical altercation to defend a family member, but it's ironic to me that if this had been Cam, it would likely have an entirely different spin on it; dude was out 'wilding' with his lil' bro lumping up innocent patrons.lol
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let's try a *little* bit of common sense in the future before you post something this utterly devoid of coherent thought.
There is no evidence he did what he was accused of doing. It's all rumors.
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people conflate Newton's behavior as an 18 year old with the "scandal" when he was 21 I don't see any correlation. He went to JC and grew up.

We all know Newton made mistakes at Florida. But that's old news. the "scandal" at Auburn is a joke. Taking money?

Jeez i hope taking money to play football doesn't interfere with his ability to play professional football... for MONEY!
You are arguing an assumption with an assumption... People assume Newton is still the same 18 year old kid that got booted out of Florida, you assume Newton is an all grown up man that has completely left his past behind.

For me, I look at the mishandling of this draft process by Newton... I look at the influence of his father (who I think we can all agree at least tried to auction his son to the highest bidder) on his decision making... I see the nervous deflection of tough questions when pressed by the media... I see a man on the football field, who is often childish off the field...

On the field, Newton has #1 pick talent and potential... I have never denied that.

However, I would never pay him top 10 money to be the face of my franchise. In fact, I would not draft him in the first round. I see a recipe for disaster in drafting Newton when combining the money, media scrutiny, his maturity, his support system/entourage, and the pressure of being the face of the franchise. Newton has always been able to handle the pressure and perform between the lines. The time and commitment needed to succeed in the NFL (especially at the QB position) on and off the field is something I am not confident Newton can handle.
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i'm not pissed off and i'm certainly not 'literally seething'. i'm disgusted by the quality level that this has taken since the newton fanboys decided to take up warren moon's call to arms. again, why are we talking about a hypothetical fight? who gives a ****? if the best defense you can give for a guy is "well, if he did X, everyone would *really* hate him," it should be pretty clear that there's literally nothing left about the guy that's actually worth defending.
The venom that has come across in virtually every post I've come across by you of late is unmistakable. Yeah, there are arguments that are presented in many threads that seem to lack some cohesion, but the consistent personal attacks that you retort with do seem to be over the top. Look at your last 20 posts and see how many times you are responding to people's opinions with personal attacks. It's making it hard to find your points among all the insults.
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Let's try to continue discussions with less astericks.

Anyone who says PFW's report isn't over the line is not really being accurate.

Anyone who says PFS'w report is purely racist is not really being accurate.

Anyone who thinks NFL teams have changed their scouting reports on Newton based off this PFW report is being really funny.

PFW got what they wanted... "website clicks".
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people conflate Newton's behavior as an 18 year old with the "scandal" when he was 21 I don't see any correlation. He went to JC and grew up.

We all know Newton made mistakes at Florida. But that's old news. the "scandal" at Auburn is a joke. Taking money?

Jeez i hope taking money to play football doesn't interfere with his ability to play professional football... for MONEY!
The problem is all of Newton's red flags show a consistent pattern of trying to take short cuts and operate above the system. He's applying for a job to play the most physically and mentally challenging position in all of sports and his record of past behavior leads you to question whether he'll truly put in the work it takes to succeed. If he doesn't want to pay a legitimate price for a computer, if he doesn't want to write his term papers, and he doesn't want to play by the NCAA rules of recruiting, what should lead people to believe he's going to study every intricacy of Dick LeBeau's zone blitz packages?
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You are arguing an assumption with an assumption... People assume Newton is still the same 18 year old kid that got booted out of Florida, you assume Newton is an all grown up man that has completely left his past behind.

For me, I look at the mishandling of this draft process by Newton... I look at the influence of his father (who I think we can all agree at least tried to auction his son to the highest bidder) on his decision making... I see the nervous deflection of tough questions when pressed by the media... I see a man on the football field, who is often childish off the field...

On the field, Newton has #1 pick talent and potential... I have never denied that.

However, I would never pay him top 10 money to be the face of my franchise. In fact, I would not draft him in the first round. I see a recipe for disaster in drafting Newton when combining the money, media scrutiny, his maturity, his support system/entourage, and the pressure of being the face of the franchise. Newton has always been able to handle the pressure and perform between the lines. The time and commitment needed to succeed in the NFL (especially at the QB position) on and off the field is something I am not confident Newton can handle.
I just cant see that. On the field he is in a read option system which is not anything near what he'll see as far as the NFL goes. He also has a tiny resume and tends to be innacurate within the strike zone. I can see teams reaching for a QB as the top pick but i wouldnt even say he is going to be a better pro than Gabbert or Locker for that matter. I dont get the implication Cam is the best player out there beside the off the field stuff.
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I just cant see that. On the field he is in a read option system which is not anything near what he'll see as far as the NFL goes. He also has a tiny resume and tends to be innacurate within the strike zone. I can see teams reaching for a QB as the top pick but i wouldnt even say he is going to be a better pro than Gabbert or Locker for that matter. I dont get the implication Cam is the best player out there beside the off the field stuff.
hah. I agree with you... even if I support Newton ahead of the rest of this year's QB crop. He doesn't have #1 pick talent and potential in any other draft. ...hell, even in this draft, I'd take Peterson or a DL ahead of him if I'm Carolina.

His physical upside is tremendous, but I question his mental capacity to handle the riggors of being a long term successful NFL QB. If he can get a solid grip on that, then really... the sky is the limit... and he'll make many a doubter look foolish.
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