PFW "Clobbers" Cam Newton

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

"Winning an NFL Locker room" and "Winning a college locker room" are entirely different phenomena. The BMOC wins the locker room in college pretty much by default. In the NFL, any quarterback is going to come into a locker room full of people who are significantly more accomplished, richer, and older than you. Winning their respect is challenging.

No it's not.

Sean Taylor had the respect of the Redskins lockerroom after his first week of training camp when it was revealed that ST had only one speed in practice, 100 mph, and played in 7 on 7 drills like it was the NFCC.


Lavar Arrington tried to clown ST during an interview after ST's first training camp by smashing a shaving cream pie in his face while he was being interviewed by a local reporter, and that incident almost divided the lockerroom.

Play on the field ALONE is what earns a player respect in team sports on every level.

If the offense on Cam's NFL team looks dynamically different when he's under center, he by default will earn the respect of his teammates. Winning will only compound this.

[Nalej]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Steuber and I had a 15 minute debate on Newton in tonight's podcast.

I heard. I tend to side with you on the debate.
QB's are held to higher standards. I'd want my QB with integrity.
I think you're on a more extreme position with him than I am but
overall still the same the thought process though

CK a 4/5 rounder? Really?

Why don't you think Kerrigan could play standing up in an odd front?
Especially if he'll be a primary rusher.


Nice overall show

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by the natural

Not sure what the reason was, but the impression of Newton being all about Cam and not relating well to teammates was certainly reinforced by his pre draft workout regime. Most of the top prospects trained in group settings at large facilities, pushing each other, helping each other, hanging out and forming bonds. Newton was cloistered off in little theological college with his band of advisors and half witted QB "guru" Whitfield Jr. Now You Tube, Twitter, and Facebook are filled with images of Gabbert working hard and having fun with numerous of his peers. It doesn't take much to see the obvious warmth and chemistry he enjoys with players like J.J. Watt, Chris Ponder, A.J. Green, Aaron Williams, Prince Amukamura etc. I'm pretty sure that NFL execs are watching that and seeing Gabbert do the same with future teammates.

Not to say that Newton couldn't do the same, but HE DIDN'T. There is no visual evidence of him enjoying that cameraderie with his mates. Even at his pro day, he was sitting off by himself, ostentatiously pimping his Under Armour gear for the benefit of the cameras. Then he gets some positive feedback from Mike Mayock and ends it by calling him "Mr. McShay". I would be shocked if any team took him ahead of Gabbert at this point.

The more you hype Gabbert's most insignificant intangibles, the more the image of Joey Harrington flashes in my head.

My gut tells me that Gabbert is several notches better as a prospect than Harrington, but dang if you don't emphasize some of those most negligible aspects of Gabbert as a pro prospect, namely how much of a 'buddy' he is during the predraft process.

I promise you more than a few Cowboys thought Aikman was a prick on some of those SB teams because of his tendency for calling out players in practice and in games for screwing up assignments.

But they still respected him and played to their max ability when he was under center.

[MI_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

No it's not.

Play on the field ALONE is what earns a player respect in team sports on every level.

Not even close to true. Some of the best players on teams I have played on have been among the least liked. If talent were all that mattered, Ryan Leaf would still be the toast of San Diego.

To be clear, I dont think leadership will be an issue with Newton. Honestly, I can just about guarantee you that most NFL athletes would prefer to have a laid-back guy like Newton at the helm than a schticky, over-animated goof like Tebow.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by Rashaan Salaam

What do you see or what does he remind you of when you actually see him PLAY?

The same thing Aliki Smith showed.

edit: The NFL isn't just a league where you go out there and fling the ball around. It takes so much more than just talent. Everyone in the NFL has talent. So does JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf. And Brady Quinn. And Matt Leinart.

[the natural]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

The more you hype Gabbert's most insignificant intangibles, the more the image of Joey Harrington flashes in my head.

It isn't an "insignificant intangible". The quarterback, particularly a top draft pick, is automatically "the face of the franchise". Gabbert is miles ahead of any QB prospect I can remember coming into the league in that regard. Some are naturals, like Favre was, but a lot of them are bland to morose dopes like Cutler, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Russell, Young, etc. Gabbert, I would say is the best since Favre, although I don't remember him when he first came into the league. But it seems he was always fairly charismatic.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by MI_Buckeye

Not even close to true. Some of the best players on teams I have played on have been among the least liked. If talent were all that mattered, Ryan Leaf would still be the toast of San Diego.

To be clear, I dont think leadership will be an issue with Newton. Honestly, I can just about guarantee you that most NFL athletes would prefer to have a laid-back guy like Newton at the helm than a schticky, over-animated goof like Tebow.

Being liked and being respected aren't the same thing.

It's about performance. I've played with total assholes who were all-state, and I'll be damned if that player wasn't the last person I'd ever invite to a party, but be the first guy I'd want to be on the field with me in a playoff game.

There's a difference, that's all.

[SolidGold]

Originally Posted by MI_Buckeye

Not even close to true. Some of the best players on teams I have played on have been among the least liked. If talent were all that mattered, Ryan Leaf would still be the toast of San Diego.

To be clear, I dont think leadership will be an issue with Newton. Honestly, I can just about guarantee you that most NFL athletes would prefer to have a laid-back guy like Newton at the helm than a schticky, over-animated goof like Tebow.

So Newton jumping into the stands, smiling and bobbing his head like a ****** is not being over animated?

[Brown Leader]

Originally Posted by MI_Buckeye

Not even close to true. Some of the best players on teams I have played on have been among the least liked. If talent were all that mattered, Ryan Leaf would still be the toast of San Diego.

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly say anything dumber, you go on to say this...

Originally Posted by MI_Buckeye

To be clear, I dont think leadership will be an issue with Newton. Honestly, I can just about guarantee you that most NFL athletes would prefer to have a laid-back guy like Newton at the helm than a schticky, over-animated goof like Tebow.

...and totally redeem yourself!:)

[NotRickJames]

If he's taken top five, he'll be talked about in a few years with JaWalrus. These enormous concerns with his character are all forgiving the fact that he's got numerous concerns as far as football goes, too.

[Brown Leader]

The rebuttal...

George Whitfield, Newton's pre-draft quarterback coach's interview in response to Nawrocki's take on Cam's character.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Brown Leader

The rebuttal...

George Whitfield, Newton's pre-draft quarterback coach's interview in response to Nawrocki's take on Cam's character.

That is OBVIOUSLY a fake child that has no type of illness. Ha - think you can fool me, Cam Newton. I see right through your charade!

[FUNBUNCHER]

Whitfield implied that Nawrocki may be an Alabama alumni!!lol

Really objective right there, bud.

Anyone know???

[Scott Wright]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Whitfield implied that Nawrocki may be an Alabama alumni!!lol

Really objective right there, bud.

Anyone know???

Nolan played football at Illinois.

Quite a ways from Alabama last time I checked.

[metafour]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

That is OBVIOUSLY a fake child that has no type of illness. Ha - think you can fool me, Cam Newton. I see right through your charade!

Cam Newton was volunteering at an elementary school once a week all season long; long before he ever started receiving any individual hype and long before Auburn ever started looking like a contender. During the month+ long witch hunt against him no one in the media ever brought this up, ever. Instead it was deemed that him cheating on tests 3 years ago made him a bad person. The annoying thing for me is the general public buying into what they are told to believe by the media; know full well that if Newton becomes an NFL star that these same guys who are now calling him a self-centered egomaniac will be running stories about how great he is for turning his life around or something.

[stephenson86]

The guy is a big personality, wants to be the greatest the can ever be, has made some questionable decisions but so do a lot of young people with a lot of outside influences. He isn't a bad person but he just needs to make sure he doesn't let his ego ruin his career.

[papageorgio]

Originally Posted by njx9

you're kidding yourself if you think the vast, overwhelming majority of college players AREN'T there to be student athletes and get a free education. and frankly, i think you're everything that's wrong with sports, by the second phrase.



yeah, i mean, he only stole some **** and then possibly did something that could've jeopardized his entire career. why the hell do people think he's stupid!?

*rolleyes*

i get it. you think college kids should be paid, and should basically be able to do anything they want. funny enough, they can't. there are rules. and a violation of those rules can result in adrian mcpherson. so yes, ANY player who's dumb enough to risk his entire career on something ultimately meaningless IS an idiot, and while he may not be illiterate, he's certainly not helping his case.

i can't even begin to count the number of examples of players who broke the rules at a professional level and suffered dire consequences for it. so again, the issue is, 'do teams think that these are one time aberrations by a cocky moron, or do teams think this is a pattern of behavior that will continue at the next level, possibly keeping this guy out of our games.' disagree that team's should care all you want, but the cognitive dissonance required to attempt to just *dismiss* that is incredible.



oh, you mean the charges that WEREN'T FILED his sophomore year? let me know when you have some vague understanding of what the word 'fact' means.

Give me a break Sanchez once again got caught trying to pick up a 16 year old girl in New York.

To me Sanchez had way more questionable character than Newton.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by papageorgio

Give me a break Sanchez once again got caught trying to pick up a 16 year old girl in New York.

To me Sanchez had way more questionable character than Newton.

you mean the 17 year old he was dating? who was over the legal age of consent in NJ? do you have the faintest ******* clue what you're talking about?

come on, flail about some more. people always make their point better when they're completely incapable of articulating anything remotely approaching 'fact', while still trying to pass off every single thing they say as absolute truth.

[papageorgio]

Originally Posted by njx9

you mean the 17 year old he was dating? who was over the legal age of consent in NJ? do you have the faintest ******* clue what you're talking about?

come on, flail about some more. people always make their point better when they're completely incapable of articulating anything remotely approaching 'fact', while still trying to pass off every single thing they say as absolute truth.

ya im sure dating a 17 year old is normal for someone who is 24. This guy has to go around taking advantage of underage girls. Sanchez is a scumbag and it all started at USC.

His character issues are way worse than cheating on some tests and buying a stolen laptop.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by papageorgio

ya im sure dating a 17 year old is normal for someone who is 24. This guy has to go around taking advantage of underage girls. Sanchez is a scumbag and it all started at USC.

His character issues are way worse than cheating on some tests and buying a stolen laptop.

so you admit you've basically lied about every single thing you've said in this thread, and you further double down and refuse to acknowledge those errors, leaving everyone to assume you were intentionally trying to mislead? cool. now everyone knows exactly how little anything you say is actually worth.

[jnew76]

Yahoo sports' Doug Farrar questions whether Nawrocki has gone to far in his personal evaluation of Newton.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...?urn=nfl-wp657

[Iamcanadian]

I think Newton carries risk, that's a certainty but all those comments by Nolan Nawrocki seems a bit personal to me. How can a QB who almost personally took a team that was unranked in the pre-season to a National Championship carry no weight with his teammates and be described as "non dependable". That is a pure garbage statement and unworthy of a person who does scouting. It sounds like Newton fluffed Nolan off at sometime and totally p-ssed him off. If you ask me I would say Nawrocki lost some credibility in my eyes.
Let's look at Scott's statement" would you risk your job, reputation and the future of your franchise on Cam Newton", it is a 2 edge sword IMO. Sure there is serious risk in drafting Newton but if a GM passes on him, he is also risking his job, reputation and his team's future if Newton goes on to succeed and you pass on him. Worse yet, Buffalo has been down in the dumps pretty well since FA came into being and they need a personality to sell tickets and give the fans something to talk about. Empty seats get you fired even quicker than making one bad pick.

[FuzzyGopher]

I doubt Nawrocki just made up that stuff because he doesn't like him. It would be impossible for anyone to make statements about a player's dedication in the film room, punctuality and dependability by just watching his game tape. This information is coming from NFL scouts and people within the Auburn athletic department. Now whether or not some of this is inaccurate information being told to him by scouts to try and damage Newton's value is another thing. But there is no way this is a smear campaign by Nawrocki because he has a personal vendetta against Newton.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by FuzzyGopher

I doubt Nawrocki just made up that stuff because he doesn't like him. It would be impossible for anyone to make statements about a player's dedication in the film room, punctuality and dependability by just watching his game tape. This information is coming from NFL scouts and people within the Auburn athletic department. Now whether or not some of this is inaccurate information being told to him by scouts to try and damage Newton's value is another thing. But there is no way this is a smear campaign by Nawrocki because he has a personal vendetta against Newton.

That's just way off in my opinion. On NFL Network, they have no problem being critical of Newton, Casserly says he wouldn't touch him in round 1 and Mayock has him as #3 on his QB list, yet none of them, and they all talk to scouts and GM's everyday, have mentioned this garbage put out by Nawrocki.
This tirade comes across as personal to me.

[Scott Wright]

I don't understand why anyone would think Nolan has anything personal against Cam Newton.