If Aaron Rodgers Successfully defends the title... - Page 10

mellojello · 10-25-2011, 10:15 PM

Only an injury will stop Rodgers. Even though he won't admit it, he's on a mission to prove everyone wrong.

tjsunstein · 10-25-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mellojello

Only an injury will stop Rodgers. Even though he won't admit it, he's on a mission to prove everyone wrong.

Does he have to admit it? It's obvious by his facial expressions when asked about anything related to how he got here even though he may say the right things.

tjsunstein · 10-25-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Abaddon

Already better than Favre ever was.

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Originally Posted by wogitalia

Has it? Or is he just getting the ball out a lot faster? I'd say the line has barely improved in the last two seasons(it was horrible when it was missing half the starters a few years ago now) but Rodgers is just getting the ball out quicker.

The amount of time it takes him to go through his reads has improved significantly, he holds on to the ball a lot less than he did in previous years.

WCH · 10-25-2011, 10:48 PM

Through the first (almost) half of a season, AR is averaging 9.9 yards/pass with a 71.5% completion percentage.

He's quietly posting one of the best "Mad Bomber" seasons in NFL history.

BigBanger · 10-26-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WCH

Through the first (almost) half of a season, AR is averaging 9.9 yards/pass with a 71.5% completion percentage.

He's quietly posting one of the best "Mad Bomber" seasons in NFL history.

Are you talking about Aaron Rodgers? The QB of the Green Bay Packers?

He's have a quiet season? Hmm. I'll tell my friends.

niel89 · 10-26-2011, 02:29 AM

Hold the phone. Aaron Rodgers is the Green Bay Packers QB? The same guy who slipped in the draft and was selected after Alex Smith?

Saints-Tigers · 10-26-2011, 11:26 AM

Aaron Rodgers could be the best QB in the league even if he had 0 titles. Team success doesn't make him any better or worse.

ImBrotherCain · 10-26-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Abaddon

Already better than Favre ever was.

Umm... I love Rodgers as our QB but Favre has had more than 4 good seasons under his belt.

Don't forget Favre helped turn around the franchise. He also won 3 consecutive MVPs and is the only player to ever do so. Led the team to 2 Super bowls and won one.

A Perfect Score · 10-26-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by niel89

Hold the phone. Aaron Rodgers is the Green Bay Packers QB? The same guy who slipped in the draft and was selected after Alex Smith?

Aaron Rodgers wishes he was Alex Smith.

tjsunstein · 10-26-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Aaron Rodgers wishes he was Alex Smith.

The 49ers wish he was Alex Smith.

CC.SD · 10-26-2011, 12:40 PM

Agent Smith wishes he were Alex Smith

A Perfect Score · 10-26-2011, 12:45 PM

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Agent Smith wishes he were Alex Smith

Stop being so awesome, I can only rep you so much and you've been on a roll recently.

...Lets snuggle.

mellojello · 10-26-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain

Umm... I love Rodgers as our QB but Favre has had more than 4 good seasons under his belt.

Don't forget Favre helped turn around the franchise. He also won 3 consecutive MVPs and is the only player to ever do so. Led the team to 2 Super bowls and won one.

Yeah, but Farve was a douche.

sweetness34 · 10-26-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wogitalia

Has it? Or is he just getting the ball out a lot faster? I'd say the line has barely improved in the last two seasons(it was horrible when it was missing half the starters a few years ago now) but Rodgers is just getting the ball out quicker.

Against New Orleans I watched the line a lot and saw them pick up the Saints' blitzes all night long. Rarely was there pressure on him. The line has significantly improved from 2 years ago. It's not the best in the league, but even against us they did a great job picking up our blitzes, sliding protection, etc.

Give credit to McCarthy as well. He sets up plays later in the game with different looks.

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It's like the Bears OL, it looks poor when Cutler gets the ball out quickly to shorter routes, it looks all time awful when he holds the ball and they try deeper routes.

There's absolutely no comparison between the two lines. I would say that Green Bay has an upper echelon OL, whereas Chicago is at the bottom of the barrel. I can't count how many times one of our tackles/tight ends has blocked down and left an edge rusher a free lane to Cutler. The missed assignments by our offensive line is laughable. And let's not even talk about blitz pickup. When the defense stacks players up on the line of scrimmage I have this pit in my stomach as to what will happen next.

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Rodgers is just playing incredible football right now. Whether it be the rule changes or not, he is putting the ball in just about perfect places on an absurd amount of his throws. Obviously he is in a great situation, you don't win Superbowls in this league without having a very strong team around you but there are plenty of other guys in similar situations that aren't playing nearly as well as him also.

Oh there's no doubt he's playing incredible football. It's fairly obvious that the weapons don't make the Quarterback, but they certainly help. Prime example was on Sunday when Jennings broke free down field as Rodgers extended the play. His receivers know how to play and help their QB out. They are a machine right now because everyone is pulling their own weight. The only way you stop that offense is if you either knock Rodgers out of the game (make him gunshy) or if they beat themselves. It's like they have answer for everything.

Blitz = hot read. Sit back = pitch and catch. Press coverage = ball over the top. Overpursue the backside = rollout. They are one step ahead of everyone right now in terms of the playcalling and execution.

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That would be the main thing I've noticed this season, no one has worked out how to stop the spread or even really to slow it yet so few teams are using it. Just surprises me that with every defense complaining about how they aren't allowed to cover(fair complaint I'll add) why teams aren't doing it more.

I personally believe the way to the beat the Packers is to knock Rodgers on his ass. Peppers knocked the **** out of him last year (albeit it was a hit to the helmet) and Rodgers wasn't the same in the 2nd Half. He's way too comfortable in the pocket. Sure, you might give up some big plays, but blitz consistently and get some shots in on him.

It was hilarious to me to see New Orleans sit back and let Rodgers dictate where he wanted to go with the ball. You have to dictate what he does with the ball and force his hand by brining pressure.

I know I said earlier that they do a great job picking up blitzes, but eventually you'll get to him and make him uncomfortable. I'd rather get beat being aggressive than sitting back and watching him slice me to pieces.

I guess my argument is that Rodgers gets all this love, but it's the sum of the parts that make the offense what it is. Sure, the QB should get the lions share of the credit, but he has the best receiving core in the game, a brilliant OC/QB coach, a solid run game and a good offensive line.

I mentioned this on another board, but Rodgers is the blueprint of how to build pieces around a franchise QB and develop him. Cutler is the blueprint of how to bring in a talented QB and see him crumble because you didn't give him a good foundation.

Rodgers was set up to succeed. Cutler was set up to fail. Angelo believed that getting the QB would solve everything (he even said it in an interview).

Jay is always going to be a risk QB that'll make boneheaded plays (much like Favre), but those mistakes would be far less if he had more protection, an offense built to cater to his strengths and a set of legit receivers to throw to. He has none of those. I really don't know if he'd be as successful as Rodgers is right now, but I'd like to think he'd be a much better QB with more efficiency because of the individual talent he possesses.

Breed · 10-26-2011, 02:26 PM

All i was saying in my previous post was i still think a guy like Brady with 3 ringz will still be ahead of Rodgers. i know ringz isn't what make s a good QB, but Brady is better with less talent around him...

sweetness34 · 10-26-2011, 02:28 PM

Let me put it this way. Rodgers is the engine that drives the Ferrari. On the outside it looks really nice, but if you put a mediocre engine in it all it'll be is a pretty exterior.

Is Rodgers the most important piece of the offense? Of course. He's what makes it go, but I think that's what makes their offense so ******* good. It's the sum of the parts. They all work extremely well together, which is why it's hard to shut it down.

sweetness34 · 10-26-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Breed

All i was saying in my previous post was i still think a guy like Brady with 3 ringz will still be ahead of Rodgers. i know ringz isn't what make s a good QB, but Brady is better with less talent around him...

Define 'less talent.' Brady has a ridiculous offensive line that let's him pick and choose where he wants to go with the ball without much pressure. He doesn't have Rodgers' receivers, but Brady is set up to succeed as well.

And let's not act like Welker, Hernandez and Gronkowski are stiffs. That's a pretty reliable receiving core right there.

Raiderz4Life · 10-26-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetness34

Define 'less talent.' Brady has a ridiculous offensive line that let's him pick and choose where he wants to go with the ball without much pressure. He doesn't have Rodgers' receivers, but Brady is set up to succeed as well.

And let's not act like Welker, Hernandez and Gronkowski are stiffs. That's a pretty reliable receiving core right there.

He didn't always have them though. But the discussion is of right now, so I shall agree with you. Its not like Brady is playing with unknowns either.

Saints-Tigers · 10-26-2011, 03:02 PM

Aaron Rodgers can play like he's playing now and his team could give up 52 points with the opposing QB throwing 12 passes, and people here would argue that Rodgers got outplayed because he lost... smh lol.

SickwithIt1010 · 10-26-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Breed

All i was saying in my previous post was i still think a guy like Brady with 3 ringz will still be ahead of Rodgers. i know ringz isn't what make s a good QB, but Brady is better with less talent around him...

No hes not.

murdamal86 · 10-26-2011, 03:54 PM

As of right NOW at this very moment, of course Rodgers is the best QB in the league, how is this debatable

J-Mike88 · 10-26-2011, 04:05 PM

Rodgers receivers, and the O-coordinator, do not get the credit they deserve.
Yes Arod makes some unbelievable passes, into barey a footxfoot window. See the Super Bowl.

But when watching the Ravens Monday night.... seeing replays of Flacco's targets.... those POS's are NOT open. He has everyone covered, and can either throw it to his guy and it's picked, or he can throw it extra wide before he gets sacked.

Almost always when I see Rodgers throw it, the camera then follows the ball to the target, and the receiver is somehow almost always open. Like 70% of the time these days.

That's A) great playcalls/schemes, and B) great route-running.
It is the sum of all parts, it's not all Rodgers for sure.

And even though I am the Packer homer, to say he's separated himself from Tom Brady, that's false. He may be currently above him for this year's MVP, but Brady just had the one bad half in Buffalo, otherwise it's neck & neck.

Lotta football left.

I sure would like to see those two #12's face off against each other in February in Indy.

soybean · 11-07-2011, 04:31 PM

There is something I have to add...

There is a very strong likelyhood that the Packers can go 17-0 in this regular season.

I just looked at their remaining schedule and honestly the only team that looks like a threat is the Giants and MAYBE 1/2 from the lions.

freakin packers man...

Rosebud · 11-07-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

There is something I have to add...

There is a very strong likelyhood that the Packers can go 17-0 in this regular season.

I just looked at their remaining schedule and honestly the only team that looks like a threat is the Giants and MAYBE 1/2 from the lions.

freakin packers man...

I disagree. I'm willing to guarantee that there is no way the Packers go 17-0 this regular season...

mqtirishfan · 11-07-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

There is a very strong likelyhood that the Packers can go 17-0 in this regular season.

I will gladly do a sig bet with you on that.