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Old 06-03-2013, 08:35 AM    (permalink
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I've read that they might use these books as a filler if the series catches up with the books.

Mad King is Egg's son, right? I'm sure George will write that he liked to burn toy soldiers as a child.
The Mad King is Egg's grandson
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I read all of the books before the rest of my friends and family and have had the conversation about AFFC being boring dozens of times and ADWD not delivering as much as they might have wanted until the last couple hundred pages. I can honestly tell you that for the most part both AFFC and ADWD are setting up four major plot points that should play out in the sixth book The Winds of Winter (TWOW) to have as much action as ACOK and ASOS. That having been said, AFFC does not provide nearly as much to these major plot points and this is the reason why it suffers compared to the other books in my opinion. It doesn't provide any meaningful returns for the reader. I've broken all of this down in the spoiler below. There are some pretty big spoilers regarding some characters fates/situations in there so don't read it if you care about spoilers.

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The Mad King is Egg's grandson
There is speculation that Brienne of Tarth is a descendant of Dunc as well. If anyone cares about evidence for this I put it in this spoiler:

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Reading the TV thread everyone freaking going wahhhh for the red wedding, man i remember when I did that.

Man if they are shocked with Rob, wait till they find out what happens to Snow.
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I thought Brienne met Lady Stoneheat, and she killed Brienne off, for never delivering Jamiey
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I thought Brienne met Lady Stoneheat, and she killed Brienne off, for never delivering Jamiey
I'll spoiler this for other people.

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Ohhh yeah, I probably should start reading the books again.
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Red Wedding was different then in the book.

Here are some things I was looking forward to see but didn't happen:

1. Grey Wind wasn't executed without a fight. He ripped off one of the Frey's soldier's arms.

2. The Hound didn't sneak away from the Twins. He had to kill 3 guards.

3. Where is Greatjon Umber? He was a big part of the show and a big part of the RW.
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4. they killed robb's wife (iirc, she was taken prisoner/hostage and died later)
5. they didn't cut off robb's head and swap it with grey wind's (i think this was for obvious reasons).
4. She ends up staying at Riverrun and the family makes a deal with Jamie (also IIRC)
5. This was only talked about in Kings Landing in the book so they may still might "do" it.
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Also, what the f was Blackfish doing at the Red Wedding?

When **** went down, he just ran?

Yeah, that sounds like a legendary warrior.

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6. Cat never grabbed Walder's wife it was his son she gabbed.
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So next week Ygrette and Joffery dies. Which do you think the people will respond to more?
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I don't think Joffery dies next week. I think the Royal Wedding will be next season. But I could be wrong.
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that would be a pretty sucky season finale if he didn't die.
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So next week Ygrette and Joffery dies. Which do you think the people will respond to more?
Ygritte dies, people will be sad. Joffrey dies, people will be happy. I think they'll respond more to Joffrey.
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I dont think they're doing the royal wedding next week, you don't see anything like that in the clip for next week.
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I could see Ygritte, Sandor, and Joffery being dead.
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There were quite a few differences about the Red WEdding. I was actually hoping that the musicians were actually going to be crappy. Because they werent musicians...they were bowman. And the half-wit son JingleBell is who died...I guess HBO didnt want to kill a handicapped child on TV.

The last episode will have to have alot crammed into it.
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There were quite a few differences about the Red WEdding. I was actually hoping that the musicians were actually going to be crappy. Because they werent musicians...they were bowman. And the half-wit son JingleBell is who died...I guess HBO didnt want to kill a handicapped child on TV.

The last episode will have to have alot crammed into it.
They've written the fools out of existence. Jinglebell, Butterbumps, even the one who has a major part to play in the books, Ser Dontas (who showed up slightly in season one) haven't been seen at all.
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i think you're right on 4. hooray for tv shock value, i guess, but i get it. her life added nothing to the story after those events, that i'm aware of (i also don't think she was pregnant, so when she was going to be forced to marry some other dude, they had to wait 2 years to make sure she wasn't actually going to have robb's kid). and fair point on 5, i thought i'd remembered that it was mentioned immediately after.
Well, its also a completely different character in the show. In the books its Jeyne Westerling, who belongs to a family that represents the Lannisters. If she was still alive after the Red Wedding it would lead to the same speculation in the show as there was in the books. It was highly speculated in the books that she was pregnant with Robb's heir, and potentially gave birth to it, but there was also some indication that she was forced to drink moon tea and lose the baby. There was also speculation that the Westerlings were essentially spying on Robb. In my opinion, the TV series killed her the way that they did so that this speculation wouldn't exist.
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Also, Balon Greyjoy will probably die next week.
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Also, Balon Greyjoy will probably die next week.
I doubt the show watchers even care. Recent;y, the Greyjoys have been somewhat ignored in the hbo series.
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I saw the Greyjoy chick in a clip, so they will be featured in the last episode in some way.

But I'm sure we won't see Crow's Eye, Victarion or Damphair (intimidating nickname) until next season.
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While the royal wedding would be an awesome way to end the season (right after the red wedding), I think its definitely an early next season plan.

I didn't watch the previews, but if I had to guess the finale will include Balon's death, Kings Landing talking about the Red Wedding and Joffrey goading Sansa some more, Jon making it back to the wall and preparing the defense.

Does the Viper get there before or after the Royal Wedding? I read this book only a few months ago for the 2nd time and still can't remember order of events.

Still leaves a lot for next season - Ygritte dieing/attack on wall up north, Royal wedding, Tyrions trial, Tyrions escape in Kings Landing, Danny taking Mereen in Slavers Bay, etc
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Does the Viper get there before or after the Royal Wedding? I read this book only a few months ago for the 2nd time and still can't remember order of events.
He arrived before the Wedding. Tyrion actually met him and they had a very interesting conversation, one that I think should be in the show.

That's the conversation where RV mentions that he wants to have a threesome with a hot blonde and would rather die with his face buried in tits then in battle.

Tyrion mentions the name of girl that fits his description and tells him to keep her tits close by.
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