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From the former Indianapolis Colts coach with a well-documented history of cool-bashing:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-michael-sam/

I guess by now, we shouldn't be surprised.
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A thread title that strong should really carry some links to previous statements, posts, or sources by Dungy regarding homosexuality.
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A thread title that strong should really carry some links to previous statements, posts, or sources by Dungy regarding homosexuality.
My bad:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...-remarks_N.htm

http://www.outsports.com/2013/2/20/4...y-organization

Why risk money on Michael Sam when you can spend it on homophobic lobbyists?
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I don't want to make this a political argument (though your title makes it so) but being against same-sex marriage do not mean you hate gay people.
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I don't want to make this a political argument (though your title makes it so) but being against same-sex marriage do not mean you hate gay people.
What would you say that means, then? That gay people don't deserve the same rights straight people have? What's that called?
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I don't want to make this a political argument (though your title makes it so) but being against same-sex marriage do not mean you hate gay people.
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I'm also taking the term ****-"phobic" away from you until you can accurately tell me what it is I am afraid of in relation to my faith-based stand point on same-sex marriage.
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A title that immediately sparks a political AND religious discussion. Nicely done!


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Tony Dungy is a colossal doucher, but this thread is totally unnecessary. Why can't we just let this has been mediocre coach turned self absorbed moral compass to nobody, fade into irrelevance?

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I'm also taking the term ****-"phobic" away from you until you can accurately tell me what it is I am afraid of in relation to my faith-based stand point on same-sex marriage.
It doesn't necessarily have to manifest as fear, it can also be discrimination, etc.

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irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homophobia

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Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
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I'm a Christian too. But I hate it when other Christians use the Bible as an excuse to hate gay people. It says that a man shouldn't have sex with a man. It doesn't say anything about hating them. It says "Love thy neighbor". Most of the people who use the Bible as a weapon against the gay community can't even remember another Bible verse besides the one about homosexuality.
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I love how people just see this.

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“I wouldn’t have taken him,’’
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“Not because I don’t believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn’t want to deal with all of it. It’s not going to be totally smooth . . . things will happen.’’
The Rams are going to have a hard time cutting the guy with out getting all kinds off backlash.
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Now let's go back in time, when an earlier generation of sports owners said "yeah, those black guys sure have talent, but I sure wouldn't want to deal with them. Things will happen!"
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Michael Sam isn't very good and will create a significant distraction during training camp. I can't blame a team for not wanting to deal with that.
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I love this quote from one of the articles (www.outsports.com/2013/2/20/4...y-organization) about the anti-gay group that Dungy supports:

IFI's stated mission is to protect traditional marriage.

How about finding a way to protect traditional marriage from a continuous 50% divorce rate? That's what's threatening traditional marriage.

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... being against same-sex marriage do not mean you hate gay people.
That's true. But my rough guess is that about 99.99999999% of those against same sex marriage are also anti-gay in general.

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Now let's go back in time, when an earlier generation of sports owners said "yeah, those black guys sure have talent, but I sure wouldn't want to deal with them. Things will happen!"
Completely different era. Coaches didn't have to deal with the 24-hour news cycle. They didn't have to worry about that black player doing a television series. Baseball also had an unwritten rule to not sign black players. So breaking the color barrier is a much bigger deal. There is no such rule (written or unwritten) today.
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I love this quote from one of the articles (www.outsports.com/2013/2/20/4...y-organization) about the anti-gay group that Dungy supports:

IFI's stated mission is to protect traditional marriage.

How about finding a way to protect traditional marriage from a continuous 50% divorce rate? That's what's threatening traditional marriage.

... being against same-sex marriage do not mean you hate gay people.
That's true. But my rough guess is that about 99.99999999% of those against same sex marriage are also anti-gay in general.
That is completely untrue. While people against gay marriage usually use the wrong argument for why it should be banned, they don't hate ****. Some do of course. But not some overwhelming majority like you state.
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Funny how people who have a "faith based" stance against certain things have no problem with people working on Sunday, even though a certain well know book clearly states:

"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. "

I guess that little part is inconvenient, so they just choose to ignore it. Same sex marriage makes them uncomfortable, so they conveniently follow that part strictly.
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"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. "

I guess that little part is inconvenient, so they just choose to ignore it. Same sex marriage makes them uncomfortable, so they conveniently follow that part strictly.
A nice reading of the New Testament (Romans specifically but other places) would enlighten you about how you are wrong about this.
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A nice reading of the New Testament (Romans specifically but other places) would enlighten you about how you are wrong about this.
The key word is "Sabbath" as it relates not to a particular day, but the type of work that was prohibited.

I would point out more along a theological line of discussion, but that will have to be saved for your inquiry via PM.
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Tony Dungy gave his honest opinion, and I'd hope the PC police wouldn't be out demanding for an apology, because that is just a horrible trend that we have going on right now. With that being said Tony Dungy still is the worst.
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He gave his honest opinion, but he had to have known that it wouldn't be well received by the media. I'm sure there are plenty of coaches and ex-coaches who feel the same way, they just didn't say it because they knew how people would react. It seems like Dungy just wants people to remember that he still exists.
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Dungy is hilarious. What an insincere hypocrite.

He lavishes praise on Chuck Noll for hiring him in '81 when it may not have been the most popular move to hire a minority. He had the courage and ability to look past a cultural bias and ignore the fact it may have made other coaches and owners uncomfortable.

Jump forward 33 years and he's not so enthused about looking past cultural bias. Considering his staunch support of Vick, Michael Sam would be much better off in Dungy's eyes if he simply slaughtered a herd of kittens, and the odd corgi, on weekends rather than having a boyfriend.
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