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Old 08-19-2011, 01:27 PM    (permalink
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That second one was Ken Lucas. He was on the defense. I remember hearing about Steve Smith apparently being a jerk that day.

"That's two "bytch".
GoEagles had said that shouldn't it be fights between offense and defense and both of those are. The first one is Michael Westbrook attacking Stephen Davis.
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GoEagles had said that shouldn't it be fights between offense and defense and both of those are. The first one is Michael Westbrook attacking Stephen Davis.
Ahhh that's right.
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It was a locker room "scuffle" during training camp.. I seriously doubt it was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Didn't Jones get into something with Cedric Benson once too? Things aren't always as one sided as they seem.
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It was a locker room "scuffle" during training camp.. I seriously doubt it was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Didn't Jones get into something with Cedric Benson once too? Things aren't always as one sided as they seem.
I don't know about that...I know our entire defense basically tried to kill Benson one training camp because they felt he was getting undeserved first team reps over Jones.

But seriously, Vidae, how smart can Baldwin be if he did anything to instigate trouble anywhere near this guy:





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I'm not saying Baldwin is smart and I'm not saying it wasn't his fault, but there is a piece of news from one of the least credible people in talk radio (Nick Wright of 610) and people are calling Baldwin out for it when Thomas Jones has had run ins with teammates in the past.

I've read that Jones fought with Benson while they were on the Bears (no idea if that is true) and that Jones and Kerry Rhodes went at it when they were on the Jets. This isn't some angel here, he has been in fights with teammates before, but everyone wants to jump right on Baldwin immediately.. I don't get it.
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Kennedy got really limited playing time with us the last few years but flashed here and there. I was pretty surprised we cut him.
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I can't believe this is his 8th year already. He's probably going to fight it out with Gabe Watson for our last DT spot.
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Yes, Thomas Jones punched Cedric Benson right in the face. Unfortunately, his signing bonus didn't fall out Sonic the Hedgehog style.
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I read that but I wasn't sure how credible the person writing the article was, but I believe it happened now.

So Thomas Jones has been in two fights in stops with two previous teams, but why don't we blame Baldwin instantly without knowing the facts? Bleh. It's the Shawne Merriman thread all over again up in here.
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It's Cedric Benson. He had it coming.
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Cedric Benson is a *****. Baldwin is widely reported to be a ***** too. Thomas Jones is widely known to be liked and respected by his teammates.
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Pretty much this^^^
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Nobody on the outside knows what really happened but if something did go down and I believe something did it's hard not to blame Baldwin.

You have one of the most respected players on the team maybe the league or some kid coming out of college with a bad rep.

Had this just been some pushing and shoving on the field between and O and D player no big deal but two O players in the locker room something ain't right.
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Wouldn't doubt it if Baldwin tried to overstep his boundaries as a rookie.
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If it's true that he's taking poorly to coaching (about beating press coverage) then that's probably part of it. Jones, as a veteran team leader, probably had some words for him that Baldwin didn't appreciate.
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If it's true that he's taking poorly to coaching (about beating press coverage) then that's probably part of it. Jones, as a veteran team leader, probably had some words for him that Baldwin didn't appreciate.
Pretty much my thoughts as well.
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Yeah, pretty much this. Jones is hardly a violent **** everybody up kind of guy. He wouldn't be as well liked everywhere if he wasn't. You can read it whichever way you want to, but logically you have to assume it was something Baldwin did. Not going to pretend I know every detail and we should leave the door open that it was something else, but we have to go by what's reported and what we've heard about certain people.

By no means am I rooting for Baldwin to fail. I liked the guy coming out...but it became clear when he ripped Sunseri and the Pitt coaching staff(right or wrong) that he exactly the best team guy in in the world.
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It's certainly no secret that Haley is hard on his receivers.. it's pretty common at this point, but is that what Jones does? His view on "leadership" is to fist fight various teammates?

Getting into a fight once, ok, and I'll even give him Benson, but THREE TIMES? That is what a "respected leader" does?
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It's certainly no secret that Haley is hard on his receivers.. it's pretty common at this point, but is that what Jones does? His view on "leadership" is to fist fight various teammates?

Getting into a fight once, ok, and I'll even give him Benson, but THREE TIMES? That is what a "respected leader" does?
You are acting like Jones just walked over and attacked him for no reason?

More then likely it played out like BB said Jones tried to give him advice and the rookie didn't want to hear it and one thing lead to another.
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First, you have no idea how it played out. Saying it "more than likely" happened a certain way doesn't mean a thing.

Second, I'd like to think that someone that others consider a leader and a good locker room guy could find other ways to deal with problems than fighting.
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I don't know the story with Rhodes, but I know that Benson was a whiny ***** who didn't want to put in the work. Baldwin sounds like the same type of player.

Jones just hates whiny bitches I guess.
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You are taking far more liberties with your assessment about Jones than others are about Baldwin. We've never heard a thing about Jones being considered a bad person within a locker room or someone who just looks to start fights like you're implying. We've heard plenty about Baldwin being a diva and bad mouthing various coaches and quarterbacks from multiple sources. If you want to throw your hands over your ears and say "Well we haven't heard anything about it in Kansas City!", by all means do it. But Baldwin fell in the draft because of his reputation just as much as he did for his rawness on the football field and that's cited in nearly every scouting report you can find on the guy.
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