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Old 09-06-2011, 03:43 PM    (permalink
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With Goff done for the year, the Giants are reportedly signing Kawika Mitchell.
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Darius Butler released, would give the Raiders good 3rd CB or even start over Johnson. Has to get to us through waivers though....
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Old 09-06-2011, 04:09 PM    (permalink
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Darius Butler released, would give the Raiders good 3rd CB or even start over Johnson..
Those are some high expectations for a terrible player.
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Those are some high expectations for a terrible player.
Have you seen our CB's? If Butler could even be an average CB he would be a huge upgrade
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Have you seen our CB's? If Butler could even be an average CB he would be a huge upgrade
The grass isn't always greener. Darius looked totally incompetent when he saw the field.
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Darius is nowhere NEAR average right now. Nowhere near it. Not even serviceable bad. Just frustratingly bad. His career isn't over quite yet because he still has the tools to be a good player, but expect major growing pains. We've been begging for him to step up and play well for years now and he just hasn't done it. Don't expect anything from him early unless something changes dramatically. Dude either gets smoked or looks perfect until the ball comes near the guy he's covering and makes BONEHEADED plays on the ball and his guy.


So yeah, two terrible defensive backs cut this week. Addition by subtraction. I can dig it.
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How come no one is interested in Darcel McBath getting cut? Another well known gem from Alphonso Smith draft. :/
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Have you seen our CB's? If Butler could even be an average CB he would be a huge upgrade
Butler can be an outstanding boundary corner...

... but he's never shown one play that would make you think he will ever do it. Butler just gets lost when the ball is in the air.
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How come no one is interested in Darcel McBath getting cut? Another well known gem from Alphonso Smith draft. :/
Alphonso Smith is a perfectly fine nickel guy, they just traded him too early. But hey, they got a season out of one of the Gronkowski brothers, so that's nice...
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I survived Deltha O'Neal too, albeit only 16 games of him. That was 16 more than I cared to see, though. Darius Butler was about as rough, for a frame of reference for Panthers fans.
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Jason David and Fred Thomas are on the other line guys.
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Have they said who else put in a claim for Butler? Usually they give out the other teams, curious if there were quite a few or not. I could of easily seen us put a bid in because I'm positive Butler is better then Alan Ball. I challenge anyone to dispute that. Besides Newman is out/sucks as well.


Panthers may as well take that chance and hope he becomes some solid depth maybe more eventually.
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Whenever you feel down about your team's CB situation, just look at some Fred Thomas lowlights.
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Have they said who else put in a claim for Butler? Usually they give out the other teams, curious if there were quite a few or not. I could of easily seen us put a bid in because I'm positive Butler is better then Alan Ball. I challenge anyone to dispute that. Besides Newman is out/sucks as well.


Panthers may as well take that chance and hope he becomes some solid depth maybe more eventually.
Butler allowed quarterbacks to post a 103.8 rating against him for over 12 yards per completion....and that's not factoring in the horrendous amounts of pass interference, illegal contact, and holding penalties he committed. More often than not, a lot of those were deep down the field as well.

I'm not saying the writing is on the wall for him yet. He's shown flashes...but you're really scraping the bottom of the the barrel with Butler right now unless something clicks right away with him. He needs a lot of coaching. He's worth bringing in over someone who just isn't going to get better, but I don't think he's a major upgrade over anyone out there right now with the way he was abused on a consistent basis. Lateral move for some of the worst guys in the league? Maybe.

One of my crazy ideas about watching him the past few years is that he might be better suited as a safety if not for the size issues. When everything is in front of him and he can see stuff clearly, he can be pretty decent.
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It blows my mind how terrible Butler was for us and how many people hold out hope for him. I literally felt like it was christmas morning when I saw that we cut his useless ass. No matter how bad your secondary is, Butler will only make it worse. I said it before but I'd rather put 10 guys out on the field than have that scrub giving up plays or getting 10 PI calls a game.
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Eagles sign Joselio Hanson

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Hanson may not be anything great, but he's probably the best 4th CB on any team in the NFL. I think he could at least have been a solid #2 for a team in need, at worst a pretty good nickel.
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He can't handle himself on the outside at all, but he is a great nickel. I think he was 2nd best in the NFL last year as far as yards allowed per completion goes (though I don't know how reliable of a stat that is)

Pretty funny how he wanted to keep his #21 when Nnamdi got here, then he got cut and Ronnie Brown took the number right away. Wonder what they're gonna do about that...
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That line gave me a bad flashback to Ricky Manning...
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Who are the best players who were cut that are still available? I tried to find a good listing online but couldn't find one.
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I didn't hear that anyone signed Olshansky, he's the best I'm aware of.

Garrard also obviously.

Donnie Avery is available and, if healthy, can be a nice deep threat pickup.

Most anyone else I can think of are only spot starters and backup types.
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I'm pretty surprised Arizona hasn't picked up Avery yet. Other than Fitz they are very weak at WR, plus Avery and Kolb played together at Houston.
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I'm pretty surprised Arizona hasn't picked up Avery yet. Other than Fitz they are very weak at WR, plus Avery and Kolb played together at Houston.
That makes sense. I'm assuming Avery's ACL hasn't healed correctly/fully.
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