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Old 02-20-2012, 03:18 PM    (permalink
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If you're a pretty good (not even great, just pretty good) CB hitting the market you're almost guaranteed 9-11m a year
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If you're a pretty good (not even great, just pretty good) CB hitting the market you're almost guaranteed 9-11m a year
This.

CB value has blown up in recent years with so many great passing attacks in the league. You almost have to be three deep and have at least one corner who can take out an opponents WR on his own since those safeties are probably going to be busy with TEs.
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running a mix of zone/man coverage at the same time will stop all that passing non sense. It'll be known as the ultimate defense where you have 1 Cb shadow the best WR playing man on him, while the other 2 are playing zone. And the safties doing something.
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I don't love or hate the Routt signing. It makes sense. We probably didn't think we could get something worked out with Carr. He reportedly wants $10m a year and I love Carr but he isn't worth it.. and any team that pays him that much will realize it.

Routt was a penalty machine last year but I'm pretty confident that Romeo Crennel and Emmitt Thomas can reign him in on the penalties.. plus he won't have to be a #1 CB here, and he'll have safety help over the top.

At the end of the day it doesn't even necessarily mean that Carr hits the market. With the passing attacks in the NFL now you need three good to great corners. We have enough cap space to sign Carr long term if we still wanted to. It isn't likely, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Would I have preferred Carr over Rout? Sure, but he isn't worth #1 CB money.

And this forces Bowe to the table too. The franchise tag is pretty much raring to be used now and he knows it'll be used on him and not Carr. He lost some leverage in negotiations.
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I think Routt for what 6.5m/yr is a good deal considering Finnegan, Carr and whoever hits the market is going to try to command 10m/yr
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It's a great contract for a #2 CB, which is all he's going to be. I'm fine with the money we're paying him. It still sucks to potentially lose Brandon Carr, a homegrown talent who has shown he fits the system well and is loved by the KC fans, but.. this is a business and if he wants $10m a year he'll have to go somewhere else to get it.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up about having all three CBs in KC. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if it does you will regret every penny spent on Stanford Routt. There are two things Routt can't do--play zone and cover a slot receiver. All he can do is use his athleticism and shadow WRs, but he does not do well on the inside. He is pretty good covering the outside, but he is going to give up 1st down after 1st down if you have him as your nickel corner.
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If I had to guess how this plays out, I'd guess we sign Bowe long term and then we tag Carr and trade him. It makes the most sense where we're sitting right now. Unless Carr decides to give the Chiefs a hometown discount (unlikely) and then we'll have all three under contract and go from there.

I guess I'm choosing to believe that RAC and ET can get more out of Routt than the Raiders did. We'll see if that turns out to be true or not.
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This is some crap. 63 freaking million under the cap and they won't pay Carr...
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This is some crap. 63 freaking million under the cap and they won't pay Carr...
Maybe it was Carr who wanted to test the market? You really have no idea what is going on with him but in the meantime the Chiefs went out and made sure CB wasn't a GIANT hole opposite Flowers.

Sounds like a ton of crap to me. :\
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They should have just tagged him instead of being cheap. I can't wait to see what average WR they use to "replace" Bowe when they let him walk.
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Er, why would they let Bowe walk? If Bowe doesn't agree to a long term deal they tag him. If anything, signing Routt brings Bowe to the table on a long term deal quicker than he would have before.

This could have ended one of two ways:

1) Carr leaves in FA and there is a big hole at CB. They try to sign Routt AFTER FA starts and end up paying double what they're paying now.

2) They sign Routt to give them insurance in case Carr doesn't sign here long term, making sure they have no gaping hole at CB and instead are able to get a deal done with Bowe.

I would love to keep Carr, and it's still a possibility, but I'm glad they did something to make sure we wouldn't be in a lurch.

Besides, if they hadn't signed Routt, and Carr decided to leave in FA, you'd be pissed that they didn't do anything to secure that position. They can't win with you it seems.

ps you're absolutely nuts if you think Carr is worth $10m a year.
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This is going to be a strong CB class in FA. Rogers, Finnegan, Carr all could hit the open market.
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You think Routt is worth 11?

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I take it back that isn't cheap it's stupid.
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He is getting a signing bonus and his yearly contract earnings. Is he worth $11m a year for the next 3 years? No, but then again he isn't getting that. He's getting roughly $5.5m a year, which is a great price for a #2 CB.

Carr is going to want $10m a year + a massive signing bonus, and he IS NOT WORTH IT. Period.

I get that you want to keep Carr in KC.. I do too, but he just flat out isn't worth it.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...to-join-chiefs

I take it back that isn't cheap it's stupid.
Part of that money is paid by the Raiders, as there is no offset in his contract language. I believe that 5 million of that was paid by the Raiders. And Routt is getting way too much hate because of that stupid Profootballfocus stat that said he allowed the most touchdowns when half of those where inside the 6 yard line.

I don't like Pioli much at all but this is a great move. There are plenty of GM's that would have signed some washed up 30 year old because they didn't want to "spend too much money at one position".
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I hope Carr hits the F/A market now, I'd take a swap between him and Routt :)
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You expect the Raiders to get free agents? They have no money and Reggie McKenzie is the GM now.
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You realize the "cap issues" are not important at all, right? The Raiders can very easily get 20-30 million below the cap without losing any key contributors.
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What by restructuring contracts and stuff?
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We played a ton of man to man coverage last year, so Routt fits KC fine. I'd rather have Carr, but Bowe is the bigger priority.
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Word is that the Seahawks are probably going to let MLB David Hawthorne go. What teams need a Mike? I wonder if 3-4 teams would look at him...

And Kuelchy becomes a very real possibility at #11/12 for Seattle if they do indeed let DH go. Interesting.
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I don't think that it's anywhere close to a given that the Raiders won't be active in FA under McKenzie. You have to remember, McKenzie was trained by Ron Wolf -- not Ted Thompson -- and Wolf loved him some FA signings.
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I like Hawthorne. If I needed a Mike LB, I'd look at him just as hard as I would Curtis Lofton.
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