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Old 03-15-2012, 05:55 PM    (permalink
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Leave it to Ness to whip out some stats. I'm only surprised you actually gave their names.
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Teams don't respect Cole like they do Mario. Stats are irrelevant.

I really like Cole (actually since Cincy I liked him as a prospect coming out), but he's not on Mario's level
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Here I will save everybody time JPP>>> the both of them
I knew JPP would be great. We were one pick away from choosing him. Why couldn't you guys draft Derrick Morgan.
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Trent is really being underrated here.
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Didn't we already have Trent Cole is underrated thread last year?
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Even their rookie years, where Williams was the 1st overall pick and Cole was the 146th overall (and a backup), Cole was more effective.

Williams is still a beast and I'd love to have him on my team, but the thing that's bothering me is people acting like it's a joke to even compare the two.
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Trent Cole is a very underrated player, one of the best pass rushers in the game today and helps against the run. But if I were to build a defense, I'd pick Mario Williams over Cole....
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Teams don't respect Cole like they do Mario.
You're kidding right? Do you think Jason Babin would have gotten 18 sacks last year if Cole wasn't constantly getting double-teamed?
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Williams consistently demands double teams and demands teams to game plan around him. Cole doesn't.

Cole is a very good player, and I like him a lot. But he's not that type of player
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You're kidding right? Do you think Jason Babin would have gotten 18 sacks last year if Cole wasn't constantly getting double-teamed?
Considering he had 12.5 sacks when he was the Titans only real pass rush threat, I don't think its far fetched
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lamo wtf i Orton doing in Dallas ?Also what is up with some of these signings this year I just don't understand?
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Williams consistently demands double teams and demands teams to game plan around him. Cole doesn't.

Cole is a very good player, and I like him a lot. But he's not that type of player
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Considering he had 12.5 sacks when he was the Titans only real pass rush threat, I don't think its far fetched
...but my point is Cole is constantly double-teamed. I've seen every game he's ever played, and he can make tackles look down right silly in one-on-one match ups. You are really telling me you don't know what you're talking about if you don't think teams gameplan for Cole.
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I think what everyone is trying to say is that while Trent Cole is a great player, only an Eagles fan would say he's better than Mario Williams.
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I think what everyone is trying to say is that while Trent Cole is a great player, only an Eagles fan would say he's better than Mario Williams.
Seems legit.
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I've watched Mario Williams go up against the crappy Colts OL since he was a rookie. He is very good. But he is overrated. Especially in the draft community that loves an athletic freak. Trent Cole is the much better value based on their new contracts.
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FYI

Nix just said Mario wanted to play LDE so that is where he will play.
Nix said Buffalo is not looking at another WR in FA (my guess Floyd at 10)
Nix said this draft is deep in pass rusher and you don't need to take 1 early (Look for R2 for the Bills to add a RDE Curry, Branch etc.)
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I think what everyone is trying to say is that while Trent Cole is a great player, only an Eagles fan would say he's better than Mario Williams.
Considering some non-eagles fans have agreed with me (that it is at least arguable, which was my first point), I don't know if that's too accurate.

This argument has gone on far too long anyway. I had no intentions of hi-jacking the thread anyway. My point is dollar-for-dollar, the eagles got a much better deal for Cole than the Bills got for Williams, and if someone tries to argue that point, they're fooling themselves.
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...but my point is Cole is constantly double-teamed. I've seen every game he's ever played, and he can make tackles look down right silly in one-on-one match ups. You are really telling me you don't know what you're talking about if you don't think teams gameplan for Cole.
Teams game-plan for Cole, sure. Heck, teams game-plan for Dave Ball....

Trent Cole isn't as good as Mario Williams.

Trent Cole is good, I like him a lot. But to call him better than Mario Williams just proves you know nothing
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I've watched Mario Williams go up against the crappy Colts OL since he was a rookie. He is very good. But he is overrated. Especially in the draft community that loves an athletic freak. Trent Cole is the much better value based on their new contracts.
Value yes, but player no
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I've watched Mario Williams go up against the crappy Colts OL since he was a rookie. He is very good. But he is overrated. Especially in the draft community that loves an athletic freak. Trent Cole is the much better value based on their new contracts.
Even with a crappy OL, Manning is the hardest QB to sack in the league because he gets the ball out so damn quick.

Brees is another guy who is very hard to get to, but he's had the benefit of working with a great OL in NO. If Manning had New Orleans o-line, it'd be sick how few sacks Manning would have on a year-to-year basis. And half of them would be him floppin on the ground to avoid a hit.

Manning is one of the only QBs that can pull that off without lookin like a complete puss.


Edit// But back on topic: I do agree that the value is there. Williams just signed the biggest defensive contract in the history of the league, so it ain't exactly hard to beat that value-wise.
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Idk when your whole offense plans against 1 player, its makes a difference.
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