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[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by Scotty D

Dez should have beat his ass.

The Dolphins say Dez told them in an interview, "My dad was a pimp, and my mom worked for him." Then Ireland went, "...your mom was a prostitute?"

I think Dez said it didn't happen that way and it was more out of line, but who knows.

[Bert Macklin]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

No such thing. You're either good enough to win a Superbowl or your not. He's not. Not this year. Not ever.

He is a placeholding mediocre game manager and should be treated as such.

[Caddy]

Couldn't even find a photo of him holding the superbowl trophy.

[Pat Sims 90]

You could also call Big Ben a game manager for his 1st Super Bowl win.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Caddy

Couldn't even find a photo of him holding the superbowl trophy.

Took 12 seconds.

[Bert Macklin]

Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90

You could also call Big Ben a game manager for his 1st Super Bowl win.

You could call that the worst winning performance my a QB ever.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Took 12 seconds.

Australian google is a bit slower Brody, duh.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

You could call that the worst winning performance my a QB ever.

No its not that you could its that you have to.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

Yep.
We still also have to re-sign Pat Sims.

This is priority number one.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90

OMG Mike Brown actually keep are most important FA!

It's our and we havent signed him (AKA Pat Sims) yet. Everyone all of the sudden loves Reggie Nelson. He is slightly above average at best and we (likely) just overpaid for him. I like the signing but let's not make this out to be something it isn't.


EDIT: Three posts in a row desole.

[nobodyinparticular]

Originally Posted by themaninblack

It's our and we havent signed him (AKA Pat Sims) yet. Everyone all of the sudden loves Reggie Nelson. He is slightly above average at best and we (likely) just overpaid for him. I like the signing but let's not make this out to be something it isn't.


EDIT: Three posts in a row desole.

Wait... Pat Sims is a free agent?

Reggie McKenzie, get on this my man!

[BeerBaron]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...for-the-49ers/

The Steelers better hope that San Fran ends up with Peyton or Smith because if they don't, they might still make a run after Mike Wallace.

Then they'd go from having no deep threats to ALL of the deep threats.

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

Wait... Pat Sims is a free agent?

Reggie McKenzie, get on this my man!

No....no he is not.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

No....no he is not.

Poor Bengals fans. At least most crappy owners at least overpay their own free agents if they don't sign anyone new.

The Bengals don't even do that...

[Ness]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...for-the-49ers/

The Steelers better hope that San Fran ends up with Peyton or Smith because if they don't, they might still make a run after Mike Wallace.

Then they'd go from having no deep threats to ALL of the deep threats.

That's just a random guess by King. Really, there isn't any word to say that the 49ers are going after Wallace. I wouldn't be concerned if I was a Steelers fan.

[bigbluedefense]

A coworker of mine who's a big dolphins fan was trying to talk himself into Alex Smith. I just gave him a blank stare. There was a pause, then he was like

"Yeah, I know...Alex Smith sucks"

Then he sunk his head and walked back to his desk.

Poor Dolphins fans.

[BeerBaron]

I hate it when people say "that's just a random guess or speculation..." this time of year.

Damn near EVERYTHING is speculation at this point. Some more informed than others, but still.

Anything that comes from the media is at least partly speculation. And if it comes from the team, oh man, the odds of it being a blatant lie are through the roof.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

A coworker of mine who's a big dolphins fan was trying to talk himself into Alex Smith. I just gave him a blank stare. There was a pause, then he was like

"Yeah, I know...Alex Smith sucks"

Then he sunk his head and walked back to his desk.

Poor Dolphins fans.

They got to enjoy the greatest passer of all time (blah blah blah, insert your no superbowl arguments...blah blah...that's why I said "passer") in Marino for nearly 2 decades.

One thing I must say is that I think Marino is more highly thought of in the league circles than by the fans and media. I remember this NFLN special from a few years back...before Marino was even in the HoF...and they were talking about what all the busts there must say to eachother at night (or something), and one segment of the show had them asking the current HoFers which current or future HoFer they would have most wanted to play with, and Marino freaking stole the show. It was great.

And even Bill Polian...for all of the differences he and I have...when he was talking about a current QB (I forget exactly who...may have been Andrew Luck...) said something about that QB "having what it takes to be a great one, like Peyton Manning or Dan Marino."

Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, not Johnny Unitas....Marino.

Because Marino is just that awesome.

</tangent>

[Ness]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I hate it when people say "that's just a random guess or speculation..." this time of year.

Damn near EVERYTHING is speculation at this point. Some more informed than others, but still.

Anything that comes from the media is at least partly speculation. And if it comes from the team, oh man, the odds of it being a blatant lie are through the roof.

The point is if you are a Steelers fan you shouldn't be worried about the 49ers having an interest in Mike Wallace, because there is zero basis for that conclusion up to this point. I was obviously talking within context of what Peter King wrote specifically.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

They got to enjoy the greatest passer of all time (blah blah blah, insert your no superbowl arguments...blah blah...that's why I said "passer") in Marino for nearly 2 decades.

One thing I must say is that I think Marino is more highly thought of in the league circles than by the fans and media. I remember this NFLN special from a few years back...before Marino was even in the HoF...and they were talking about what all the busts there must say to eachother at night (or something), and one segment of the show had them asking the current HoFers which current or future HoFer they would have most wanted to play with, and Marino freaking stole the show. It was great.

And even Bill Polian...for all of the differences he and I have...when he was talking about a current QB (I forget exactly who...may have been Andrew Luck...) said something about that QB "having what it takes to be a great one, like Peyton Manning or Dan Marino."

Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, not Johnny Unitas....Marino.

Because Marino is just that awesome.

</tangent>

Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino

Look it up, numbers never lie

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[draftguru151]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

They got to enjoy the greatest passer of all time (blah blah blah, insert your no superbowl arguments...blah blah...that's why I said "passer") in Marino for nearly 2 decades.

One thing I must say is that I think Marino is more highly thought of in the league circles than by the fans and media. I remember this NFLN special from a few years back...before Marino was even in the HoF...and they were talking about what all the busts there must say to eachother at night (or something), and one segment of the show had them asking the current HoFers which current or future HoFer they would have most wanted to play with, and Marino freaking stole the show. It was great.

And even Bill Polian...for all of the differences he and I have...when he was talking about a current QB (I forget exactly who...may have been Andrew Luck...) said something about that QB "having what it takes to be a great one, like Peyton Manning or Dan Marino."

Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, not Johnny Unitas....Marino.

Because Marino is just that awesome.

</tangent>

From the year I was born till the year Ricky retired the Dolphins never had a losing season. And since then they've had 2 winning seasons in the past 8 years, including the 1-15 year. We got ours, it's time to not suck anymore.

[killxswitch]

Originally Posted by draftguru151

From the year I was born till the year Ricky retired the Dolphins never had a losing season. And since then they've had 2 winning seasons in the past 8 years, including the 1-15 year. We got ours, it's time to not suck anymore.

You'll need a new GM and probably new owners.

[brat316]

So if the Panthers sign Mike Tolbert, would they trade Stewart?

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by draftguru151

From the year I was born till the year Ricky retired the Dolphins never had a losing season. And since then they've had 2 winning seasons in the past 8 years, including the 1-15 year. We got ours, it's time to not suck anymore.

The worst thing is that it takes a special kind of incompetence to end up where the Dolphins are right now. All teams experience strings of bad luck, but they've been pathetically incompetent as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ignings/1.html

In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi (sort of), "What the hell's going on down there?!"

In Miami, I mean.

In the last 10 years this franchise has been the most luckless, clueless, hapless club. To wit:

Head coaches (seven): Dave Wannstedt, Jim Bates, Nick Saban, Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Todd Bowles and now Joe Philbin.

Starting quarterbacks, minimum four starts (13): Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, A.J. Feeley, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington, Cleo Lemon(!), Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne and now, evidently, Matt Moore. Unless they sign Alex Smith this morning, and if so, Smith would be in line to be the 14th starting quarterback in the last 11 seasons.

Offensive coordinators (seven): Norv Turner, Chris Foerster, Scott Linehan, Mike Mularkey, Dan Henning, Brian Daboll and now Mike Sherman.

Defensive coordinators (six): Jim Bates, Richard Smith, Dom Capers, Paul Pasqualoni, Mike Nolan and now Kevin Coyle.

The most bizarre moves, and aftermaths, of the last decade of Miami Dolphins football -- actually, decade plus 11 days, considering that the Dolphins traded for Ricky Williams 10 years and 11 days ago:

1. The ridiculous inability to find, develop and decide on a quarterback who could be even half as good as Dan Marino. Miami, in the last 10 years, has traded a seven for Rosenfels, a two for Feeley, a two for Culpepper, a six for Lemon, a five for Green, and used a two to draft Beck and another two to draft Henne. None is on the team anymore. None became a shadow of Marino. And Sunday, when Matt Flynn chose Seattle over Miami as the prize of a thin free agent quarterback crop, it left the Dolphins scrambling and reconsidering how aggressively to go after Alex Smith. Or hope Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M would be there with the eighth pick in the first round on April 26. Or play with Matt Moore. Not very good options.

2. The ill-fated hiring of Nick Saban. He was supposed to turn the Dolphins around, and be the head coach for life, when Wayne Huizenga hired him early in 2005. He went 15-17, made a horrendous quarterback decision (picking Culpepper over Drew Brees in 2006) and skulked off to Alabama after denying 613 times he'd go back to college football.

3. The one you've all forgotten. Two days apart in early 2007, soon after Saban skulked off to Alabama (can't use that phrase enough), Miami interviewed two coordinator prospects -- among others -- to succeed Saban. The Dolphins favored offensive coordinator Cam Cameron of San Diego over Minnesota defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin. Cameron got the Miami job. Tomlin got the Pittsburgh job. Cameron went 1-15 and got fired. Tomlin went 10-6, won the AFC North and is 55-25 since, with a Super Bowl win.

4. Trades that stunk. Ricky Williams came in 2002 for two first-round draft picks and gave the Dolphins two terrific seasons -- and five lousy ones, and one-and-a-half suspended ones. Wes Welker was made a restricted free agent in 2007, and the Patriots stole him for second- and seventh-round draft picks. Those two picks turned into one season of center Samson Satele before he was dumped to Oakland for a sixth-rounder the next year. I'd call the Brandon Marshall trade (for two second-rounders in 2010) a debacle, but they did regain two third-rounders this year. They wasted two second-rounders on quarterbacks who barely had cups of coffee in Miami -- Feeley and Culpepper.

5. Drew Brees. Saban chose Culpepper over Brees in March 2006 because Brees was rehabbing major shoulder surgery. Ten months later, Saban skulked off to Alabama, and the 1-15 Dolphins of 2007 played with Lemon, Green and Beck. Funny thing, as I wrote a couple of months ago: On the night Miami had to make the decision which way to go on Brees or Culpepper, owner Wayne Huizenga was out to dinner with a friend and said. "I want them to sign Brees. They want Culpepper.'' Huizenga got a call on his cell phone and walked outside. When he came back inside the restaurant, Huizenga said his football people were insistent that Culpepper, for reasons monetary and football and health, was a better choice than Brees. "I told them, they're the football guys, not me,'' said Huizenga. But the owner repeated that if it were up to him, he'd have signed Brees. Miami is 37-59 since, with no playoff wins.

Clearly, when Huizenga brought in Bill Parcells, who imported Jeff Ireland from the Cowboys, he didn't expect the disastrous personnel run that has ensued. (And the man who bought the Dolphins from Huizenga, Stephen Ross, didn't expect Ireland to ask Dez Bryant the sordid question about his mother's occupation in the run-up to the 2010 draft either.) The Ross-Ireland daily double has failed to lure Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher, and has failed to land Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn either.

When I was talking to Flynn Sunday night about why he chose the Seahawks, he must have repeated three or four times how much he liked the feeling he got from the Seahawks' coaches and front office people when he was in Seattle. He wouldn't say anything negative about Miami; he is very fond of his former offensive coordinator in Green Bay, Philbin. But clearly Flynn felt the love more in Seattle than in Miami.

It's absolutely amazing how much failure the Dolphins have endured in the last 10 years. And the way this year is beginning -- losing out on Fisher, Manning and Flynn -- I'm amazed that Ross is putting up with it without blowing a gasket.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1pZR6ZZUT

[Unbiased]

Originally Posted by bhaarat316

So if the Panthers sign Mike Tolbert, would they trade Stewart?

Because there's no way in hell they could pay Stewart what he deserves.