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[Unbiased]

Originally Posted by jrdrylie

As a Jaguars fan, I hope he signs with Miami.

You would rather stick with Chick as the sub rusher?

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by Unbiased

Derrick Harvey played for Denver.

I think I confused Harvey with Quentin Groves then...

You know what, screw lousy pass rushers. I'm done trying to keep track.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by Unbiased

Derrick Harvey played for Denver.

Wasnt that Jarvis Moss?

[Matthew Jones]

Apparently Logan Mankins tore his ACL at the end of last season, missed one game, and then played through the injury for the entire playoffs before undergoing surgery recently. Maybe Gallery is the stop-gap at LG if Mankins won't be ready for the start of the season.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Not every team has a neverending supply of stud pass rushers just hanging around.

If there's one area you can afford to overpay, it's pass rushers.

(As long as they're not Ray Edwards...)

I'm looking at the finances of the move.

Vinny Curry will be a 2nd round draft pick that will get you 7 sacks a season (maybe more, maybe less) for about 500k a season.

Wimbley is 7 mill a season. That's a lot more coin for the same production.

To be fair, I'm the type that thinks 99% of RBs don't deserve extensions beyond their rookie deals. I want as little $$ tied to the RB position as possible. If I can have 3 RBs on the roster each making 400K a season, I'm fine with that.

You gotta be cheap about budgeting the cap. You can't pay for mediocre players. It gets you in cap hell.

[BeerBaron]

ACL injuries are such an odd thing. It seems like there is about a 50/50 shot of either barely noticing you're injured or writhing in horrible agony knowing damn well that you're injured.

[Matthew Jones]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

ACL injuries are such an odd thing. It seems like there is about a 50/50 shot of either barely noticing you're injured or writhing in horrible agony knowing damn well that you're injured.

Yeah, I believe Josh Chapman played through a torn ACL for some/most of last season as well. Then again, Logan Mankins is undeniably one of the most badass players in the NFL.

[Taber21]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

ACL injuries are such an odd thing. It seems like there is about a 50/50 shot of either barely noticing you're injured or writhing in horrible agony knowing damn well that you're injured.

It may have something to do with if it was a complete tear or a partial tear. I haven't seen if they said Mankins was complete or not, but I would predict it was a partial tear.

[killxswitch]

It seems like it would have to be a partial tear. A full tear would mean zero lateral movement in-game. Kind of important for a guard.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by Taber21

It may have something to do with if it was a complete tear or a partial tear. I haven't seen if they said Mankins was complete or not, but I would predict it was a partial tear.

I've also heard that whether or not anything else tears (MCL, PCL, etc.) can also affect the pain.

That's why I'm always iffy when a guy injures his knee. He could be carted off for something that will only keep him out a few weeks, or he could limp off the field with a season ending injury.

Just because "he walked off under his own power," it doesn't mean he'll be fine. So that always terrifies me.

[Taber21]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I've also heard that whether or not anything else tears (MCL, PCL, etc.) can also affect the pain.

That's why I'm always iffy when a guy injures his knee. He could be carted off for something that will only keep him out a few weeks, or he could limp off the field with a season ending injury.

Just because "he walked off under his own power," it doesn't mean he'll be fine. So that always terrifies me.

Ya didn't Ballard walk off on his own in the SB? I remember them showing him attempting to run on the sideline and his knee just giving out. It is certainly hit or miss when it comes to knee injuries, so much can go wrong in such a small area.

[Hines]

Hines Ward expected to announce his retirement.

[Giantsfan1080]

I know someone who has had a torn ACL since Christmas and he just found out it was fully torn about a week ago. He walked around on it for that whole time.

[killxswitch]

Originally Posted by Taber21

Ya didn't Ballard walk off on his own in the SB? I remember them showing him attempting to run on the sideline and his knee just giving out. It is certainly hit or miss when it comes to knee injuries, so much can go wrong in such a small area.

You're right. He did look like he was in pain, but he didn't collapse in pain. He just fell down because he couldn't plant his foot.

[Unbiased]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Wasnt that Jarvis Moss?

Yeah, he's thinking of Groves or Moss, who both played for Oakland last year. From what I read, Moss was fairly decent.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I know someone who has had a torn ACL since Christmas and he just found out it was fully torn about a week ago. He walked around on it for that whole time.

You can say it was me. I tore my ACL 2.5 months ago. I was wasted at the time I did it. It hurt but not a lot, maybe because of the booze. Although I knew something was wrong right away. I couldn't walk on it at all for about 24 hours. But after that it got better. I just found out yesterday it's torn. You just lose stability. My knee has given out a couple of times since then and I've bitten it hard two times. If you're not an athlete you actually don't need it or have to get it fixed.

Dominik Hixon played on a torn ACL. He tore his on that circus catch on MNF week 2. Went back into the game only to find out the next day it's torn.

[Lil Quip]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm looking at the finances of the move.

Vinny Curry will be a 2nd round draft pick that will get you 7 sacks a season (maybe more, maybe less) for about 500k a season.

Wimbley is 7 mill a season. That's a lot more coin for the same production.

To be fair, I'm the type that thinks 99% of RBs don't deserve extensions beyond their rookie deals. I want as little $$ tied to the RB position as possible. If I can have 3 RBs on the roster each making 400K a season, I'm fine with that.

You gotta be cheap about budgeting the cap. You can't pay for mediocre players. It gets you in cap hell.

The logic behind this is sound, but your examples are a bit far fetched.

I like Vinny as a prospect but you are assuming a lot with his production. I think with that production he starts sneaking into the first.

As with RB's your thinking is in line with the NFL in general. Unless you have a Ray Rice or healthy AP, teams are not investing a lot of money into RB's. Having a platoon of three good backs on rookie deals is optimal, more realistically most teams are going to try to spend around 8 mil of the salary cap on RB's. It will be interesting to see what BGE gets for a salary. If I where him, I would find a good team offering $3 mil a year and run with it.

In the general NFL scheme, some positions are just going to be pricey. Some teams have the inherent advantage of getting good value at these positions through rookie contracts etc, allowing them to pay more money out elsewhere. As an example, Pittsburgh has had continued success from their linebacker centric defense. Yet inherent in that success is that they usually had a steady stream of linebacking talent that they could let the more expensive older guys walk and let the new guy walk. Yet without that talent to come in to replace them, they have to invest a lot of money there, hamstringing them elsewhere. Now they are paying Harrison Woodley and Timmons big deals, which really hurts them in resigning Wallace, who due to the NFL, is going to get big money somewhere. In the past they would have let Harrison walk and just pay Woodley and Timmons.

[K Train]

Originally Posted by Lil Quip

In the general NFL scheme, some positions are just going to be pricey. Some teams have the inherent advantage of getting good value at these positions through rookie contracts etc, allowing them to pay more money out elsewhere. As an example, Pittsburgh has had continued success from their linebacker centric defense. Yet inherent in that success is that they usually had a steady stream of linebacking talent that they could let the more expensive older guys walk and let the new guy walk. Yet without that talent to come in to replace them, they have to invest a lot of money there, hamstringing them elsewhere. Now they are paying Harrison Woodley and Timmons big deals, which really hurts them in resigning Wallace, who due to the NFL, is going to get big money somewhere. In the past they would have let Harrison walk and just pay Woodley and Timmons.

When harrison got his deal he was replacing porter who fell into the category of guys that had some left in the tank but were expendable. Harrison was like 29 when he had his first starting season and he was a beast against the run and damn near averages a sack a game..paying him was wise because he was a young 29 in that he hasnt played much and he could play all 4 LB spots. Timmons was drafted to replace porter, but struggled on the outside, gained some pounds and moved to the middle after they realized how good harrison was. We wont pay a LB twice though, they will move on from this group near the tail end of the deals, harrison just got paid later because he was older when he finally stuck on. Having Harrison, Timmons, Woodley (hightower???) locked up>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wallace

[Lil Quip]

Originally Posted by K Train

When harrison got his deal he was replacing porter who fell into the category of guys that had some left in the tank but were expendable. Harrison was like 29 when he had his first starting season and he was a beast against the run and damn near averages a sack a game..paying him was wise because he was a young 29 in that he hasnt played much and he could play all 4 LB spots. Timmons was drafted to replace porter, but struggled on the outside, gained some pounds and moved to the middle after they realized how good harrison was. We wont pay a LB twice though, they will move on from this group near the tail end of the deals, harrison just got paid later because he was older when he finally stuck on. Having Harrison, Timmons, Woodley (hightower???) locked up>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wallace

From wikipedia so not the most accurate, but he got a 6 year 51.75 mil extension on april 13th 2009. That is a couple weeks from his 31st birthday.

I think Harrison does great things on that D, but I just think optimally they let him walk and have a younger guy step in. Maybe move Timmons over or go with Worilds or Sylvester or whatever. That being said, I am not against paying two of their LB's primetime bucks, but paying three makes it hard to fill out their roster elsewhere, like at lets say o line.

One of the big developments in the NFL for me is the vogue of the 3-4. Previously 3-4 teams were the oddity, and those teams could get 3-4 players at great value. Since a ton of teams want these guys now it is much much harder to get them, and you have to pay them a lot more to keep them. I think Pittsburgh is a team that is really starting to feel this now. They can upkeep that great D, but at what price?

[Hines]

I think Harrison could get cut next offseason especially if Chris Carter and/or Jason Worilds prove they have improved. Ryan Clark is also a guy who could also get cut too.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

You can say it was me. I tore my ACL 2.5 months ago. I was wasted at the time I did it. It hurt but not a lot, maybe because of the booze. Although I knew something was wrong right away. I couldn't walk on it at all for about 24 hours. But after that it got better. I just found out yesterday it's torn. You just lose stability. My knee has given out a couple of times since then and I've bitten it hard two times. If you're not an athlete you actually don't need it or have to get it fixed.

Dominik Hixon played on a torn ACL. He tore his on that circus catch on MNF week 2. Went back into the game only to find out the next day it's torn.

so many players on the Giants tore their ACL and you do the same. That's die hard juggy

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

so many players on the Giants tore their ACL and you do the same. That's die hard juggy

Haha. I did it in the parking lot after the Giants/Jets game too.

[TitleTown088]

3 year deal for Jarrett Bush with the Packers.

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...=5578902&fhn=1

Veteran free agent defensive back Jarrett Bush has agreed to a three-year contract to stay with the Green Bay Packers after visiting the Arizona Cardinals and the New York Jets, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

[WMD]

Lions have OJ Atogwe and David Hawthorne in for visits today.

We also signed Jacob Lacey and re-signed Andre Fluellen.

[brat316]

I thought you guys hated Bush?