New and Improved Free Agency Discussion and News Mega-Thread - Page 437

iowatreat54 · 03-22-2012, 02:13 PM

And to be honest, I wouldn't have been terribly mad if the Bears went into the season with just Khalil Bell because that little guy is awesome, but I wouldn't have been happy about it.

Sadly my faith (or lack of) in the Bears' front office makes me feel like Forte is gonezo in the near future.

Bert Macklin · 03-22-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

By signing a very good backup? As explained, Forte has already been made a far better offer than that and would absolutely remain the starter.

Everything. That doesn't play a big role at all of why he should. He should have been offered a legit contract way before now.

Vox Populi · 03-22-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54

And to be honest, I wouldn't have been terribly mad if the Bears went into the season with just Khalil Bell because that little guy is awesome, but I wouldn't have been happy about it.

Sadly my faith (or lack of) in the Bears' front office makes me feel like Forte is gonezo in the near future.

If Bush is healthy and the passing game picks up with Marshall there I wouldn't be too worried if he left tbh.

iowatreat54 · 03-22-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

Everything. That doesn't play a big role at all of why he should. He should have been offered a legit contract way before now.

Which he was...

Last reports were somewhere between Gore (3 years $21M with 13.5 guaranteed) and Jamaal Charles (6 year $32M with 10 guaranteed). That's a legit offer.

BeerBaron · 03-22-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

Everything. That doesn't play a big role at all of why he should. He should have been offered a legit contract way before now.

WE DID.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story...ed-sources-say

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According to NFL sources, the Bears initially used the six-year, $32 million ($10 million guaranteed) contract signed by Kansas City Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles as the baseline for a potential Forte deal.

Those numbers are what Charles signed for. Forte would have received around $14 million in guarantees, and likely more overall money as well.

bearsfan_51 · 03-22-2012, 02:18 PM

The point is that you don't act like a ***** on twitter. Twitter is for girls.

iowatreat54 · 03-22-2012, 02:20 PM

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The point is that you don't act like a ***** on twitter. Twitter is for girls.

And Greg Olsen.

Oh wait, you already said girls.

WCH · 03-22-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He wouldn't be good at all in a 3-4. I don't see the fit there.

Have you seen Frank Zombo play? I like Zombo, but Tollefson would be an upgrade for the Packers.

BeerBaron · 03-22-2012, 02:22 PM

I don't think Giants fans have to worry much. The last time the Packers signed a non-rookie free agent, dial up internet was still the norm.

SuperPacker · 03-22-2012, 02:23 PM

Anyone would be an upgrade over any OLB we have other than Clay Matthews.

Monomach · 03-22-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

Everything. That doesn't play a big role at all of why he should. He should have been offered a legit contract way before now.

He has been. It was reported as 5 years, 30 million with half of it guaranteed. He just won't sign it because he's an idiot and thinks he's going to get 40-odd million over the same time frame like DeAngelo Williams.

He can sign, he can get traded for at least a decent second round pick, or we can ride him into the ground this season like he's Larry Johnson. Now that we have Bush, I don't even care which Emery chooses as long as it's one of those.

I just don't want to keep him around unsigned, give him up for peanuts, or give him a ******** big contract.

The ideal would be to send him to CLE for Greg Little and their 3rd rounder, tbqh.

WCH · 03-22-2012, 02:27 PM

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I don't think Giants fans have to worry much. The last time the Packers signed a non-rookie free agent, dial up internet was still the norm.

Like I said, SuperPacker's generation was still learning their multiplication tables when Green Bay signed their last notable Free Agent.

Nothing but love for ya, SuperPacker. I just want you to know what it's like to actually sign a player from another team who doesn't suck.

BeerBaron · 03-22-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

He has been. It was reported as 5 years, 30 million with half of it guaranteed. He just won't sign it because he's an idiot and thinks he's going to get 40-odd million over the same time frame like DeAngelo Williams.

He can sign, he can get traded for at least a decent second round pick, or we can ride him into the ground this season like he's Larry Johnson. Now that we have Bush, I don't even care which Emery chooses as long as it's one of those.

I just don't want to keep him around unsigned, give him up for peanuts, or give him a ******** big contract.

Man, Larry Johnson....he got wrecked in KC. I don't know if anyone has ever had as many carries as he did over the course of so few seasons. I think it was like 750-800 carries in two years.

bearsfan_51 · 03-22-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

He has been. It was reported as 5 years, 30 million with half of it guaranteed. He just won't sign it because he's an idiot and thinks he's going to get 40-odd million over the same time frame like DeAngelo Williams.

The truth is that he probably could get that type of money (Marshawn Lynch got 18 mil guaranteed after all), he's just not going to get it from us. He can play for the 7.7 franchise this year (and probably get tagged again next year) or he can walk. The Bears aren't going to commit 20+ million in guarantees to him, and he's not going to take less.

Honestly, I don't blame either side. It's just the nature of the franchise tag means the Bears get to keep him around whether he likes it or not.

b316 · 03-22-2012, 02:30 PM

Tag next year is 120% right?

WCH · 03-22-2012, 02:32 PM

I'm not convinced that he could get much more than $15 Million guaranteed. He might get more money on paper, but probably not guaranteed. A lot of teams are starting to view RBs as fungible commodities. That's why more and more, they're sliding in the draft.

broncosfan · 03-22-2012, 02:33 PM

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I haven't paid much attention to him outside of Philly, can someone give me some thoughts on him?

He's an excellent run defender who stands his ground and doesn't get moved. The problem is he generates NOTHING as a pass rusher.

He also only played in 44% of the snaps, so paying him 25 mill is a bit too much.

bearsfan_51 · 03-22-2012, 02:36 PM

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I'm not convinced that he could get much more than $15 Million guaranteed. He might get more money on paper, but probably not guaranteed. A lot of teams are starting to view RBs as fungible commodities. That's why more and more, they're sliding in the draft.

They've been sliding in the draft for years and runningbacks are still getting lots of money.

Adrian Peterson- 36 mil guaranteeed
Chris Johnson- 30 mil guaranteed
Deangelo Williams- 21 mil guaranteed
Marshawn Lynch- 18 mil guaranteed

I disagree with my fellow Bears fans here; they are absolutely low-balling him.

But they can, because they have the franchise tag, and no amount of bitching will change that. It's funny that he paints himself as the good guy, but I haven't heard a peep out of Ray Rice, who is arguably better.

BeerBaron · 03-22-2012, 02:39 PM

There is no argument to be made for DeAngelo Williams getting paid as much as he did, and now his deal is going to be the basement level expectation for what players like Forte and his agent want.

Also, we're seeing more and more of the regularly successful teams in the league adopting RB by committee approaches. The Pats, Giants, Saints, Packers all used at least 2 backs regularly, some even 3.

It almost seems like the best course of action would just be to take a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round every other year. Let him walk when he reaches the end of the deal, insert the last one you drafted, draft another, move on....all for, what, 500k a season?

WCH · 03-22-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

They've been sliding in the draft for years and runningbacks are still getting lots of money.

Adrian Peterson- 36 mil guaranteeed
Chris Johnson- 30 mil guaranteed
Deangelo Williams- 21 mil guaranteed
Marshawn Lynch- 18 mil guaranteed

I disagree with my fellow Bears fans here; they are absolutely low-balling him.

But they can, because they have the franchise tag, and no amount of bitching will change that. It's funny that he paints himself as the good guy, but I haven't heard a peep out of Ray Rice, who is arguably better.

I didn't know that Lynch got 18 mil guaranteed. He's coming off of a great year, but I like Forte's body of work more, so in a perfect world I'd probably pay him accordingly.

Peterson and Johnson are in a different category than guys like Forte, Lynch, and Williams (or at least, they were when they signed those deals).

Monomach · 03-22-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

They've been sliding in the draft for years and runningbacks are still getting lots of money.

Adrian Peterson- 36 mil guaranteeed
Chris Johnson- 30 mil guaranteed
Deangelo Williams- 21 mil guaranteed
Marshawn Lynch- 18 mil guaranteed

I disagree with my fellow Bears fans here; they are absolutely low-balling him.

But they can, because they have the franchise tag, and no amount of bitching will change that. It's funny that he paints himself as the good guy, but I haven't heard a peep out of Ray Rice, who is arguably better.

I really hope we trade him for O-line help, a legit #2 WR, or a decent draft pick to be used on OL. The tag gets awfully expensive in year two and no way do I want to commit more than 15 million guaranteed to a running back. Just build the line and put any ole body back there.

bearsfan_51 · 03-22-2012, 02:43 PM

Adrian Peterson is great, but he's not twice as good as Forte.

Jughead10 · 03-22-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

They've been sliding in the draft for years and runningbacks are still getting lots of money.

Adrian Peterson- 36 mil guaranteeed
Chris Johnson- 30 mil guaranteed
Deangelo Williams- 21 mil guaranteed
Marshawn Lynch- 18 mil guaranteed

I disagree with my fellow Bears fans here; they are absolutely low-balling him.

But they can, because they have the franchise tag, and no amount of bitching will change that. It's funny that he paints himself as the good guy, but I haven't heard a peep out of Ray Rice, who is arguably better.

Arian Foster also got 21 mil guaranteed. You could use him instead of Deangelo.

Ray Rice's agent did a little complaining before he got the tag. I still don't get why players complain about the tag? 7.7 million this year, a potential 9.25 next year. There is your 15 million guaranteed if you just stay healthy one more year. And if you stay healthy two more years, you'll still be up for a decent contract.

SuperPacker · 03-22-2012, 02:46 PM

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Arian Foster also got 21 mil guaranteed. You could use him instead of Deangelo.

Ray Rice's agent did a little complaining before he got the tag. I still don't get why players complain about the tag?

Because they want to be protected for the future. If they got badly injured in their franchise tag year they would lose millions.

Monomach · 03-22-2012, 02:47 PM

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Arian Foster also got 21 mil guaranteed. You could use him instead of Deangelo.

Ray Rice's agent did a little complaining before he got the tag. I still don't get why players complain about the tag?

If they get hurt while playing on the tag, it ruins their chance at a big contract.