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They have a lot of rebuilding to do and not having a first this year hurts that even more.

They need the offense to explode to carry that mismatched defense. I have about as much faith in that happening as I have in Sam Bradford right now though....if you just clusterfuck the middle of the field to make Matt Ryan throw deep and to the outside, he melts like putty.
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Bryan Scott re-signed last week. Actually a somewhat important move, since he plays a hybrid nickel role for us and is on the field a lot. Something to keep in mind as we probably won't have a veteran SAM 'backer on the roster and he'll be drawing Gronk duty a fair amount of the time.
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I hope they fire Nolan after this season and he comes back to Baltimore. We really, really need a DC who isn't going to leave for a HC job anytime soon (Hey! He already did that once!).
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All coordinators want to be coaches someday, except Dick LeBeau. You all need to realize this.
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Get Mike Pettine. He's forever stuck in Rex's shadow in NY, he might welcome being the DC of the Ravens.
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I think we have more pieces than given credit for on D. Certainly not an abundance, but some talented young pieces. I do expected a gradual transition to a full on 3-4 in the near future though. I think Nolan's praying for someone like Ta'Amu.
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I think we have more pieces than given credit for on D. Certainly not an abundance, but some talented young pieces. I do expected a gradual transition to a full on 3-4 in the near future though. I think Nolan's praying for someone like Ta'Amu.
The word I like to use with Atlanta's defense is blue collar. It's a very blue collar defense. It's good, not great. You need more playmakers to take the next step on defense.

Preferably a DE and a CB. Get a playmaker in each position and you'll see a significant improvement to your defense.
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The word I like to use with Atlanta's defense is blue collar. It's a very blue collar defense. It's good, not great. You need more playmakers to take the next step on defense.

Preferably a DE and a CB. Get a playmaker in each position and you'll see a significant improvement to your defense.
Couldn't agree more.
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The word I like to use with Atlanta's defense is blue collar. It's a very blue collar defense. It's good, not great. You need more playmakers to take the next step on defense.

Preferably a DE and a CB. Get a playmaker in each position and you'll see a significant improvement to your defense.
Stud pass rushers and shut down corners just grow on trees, you see.

I don't even know if their defense is that good. Maybe a decade ago it would look a lot better, but they tend to just get skull ****** by any reasonably good offense they face.

You could argue that happens to a lot of teams, but if you want to get anywhere in the NFC, you're inevitably going to have to get through the Packers, the Saints, the Lions, the Giants.....all teams that have recently torn the Falcons completely apart.

Their best (only?) pass rusher is an aging Abraham and their best corner is a 5'8 zone guy. Neither appears to be a great fit in what Nolan's long term plans would be. And beyond them, of note, you have Weatherspoon and maybe William Moore on a good day.

Throw in the fact that I feel that Matt Ryan's face is firmly pressed against his ceiling and I don't see this core Falcons group ever competing for a Superbowl.
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Much easier said, than done.
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You can completely facelift an entire unit with 1 good offseason though. Just ask the Texans.

They added Watt, Joseph, Reed, Manning, and Allen to a defense that sucked something awful, had Wade coach it up and they were all of a sudden a great defense.

The Falcons need work on defense, but it's not out of the question to overhaul in 1 or 2 seasons.

The more problematic issue they're going to face is one that you stated in your post: Matt Ryan is what he is, he won't get much better than what you see. And the idea of this offense becoming a high powered offense with Ryan under center is going to become a failed experiment.
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Much easier said, than done.
You need to basically commit a 1st round pick + big FA signing to each position in either order.

Draft a DE, sign a CB, sounds like a plan. They messed up bc they gave money to the wrong CB. Dunta Robinson sucks.

Had they given that money to say a Jonathan Joseph or a Brandon Carr this year, and they drafted a DE we would be talking about a much different Atlanta defense.
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The Texans also had a first round pick and signed Jonathan Joseph and Daniel Manning. The Falcons seem disinterested and/or incapable of making such signings.

They're just one of the worst equipped teams for handling the elites of the NFC right now. They have gotten absolutely raped by the Packers, Saints and Giants in recent memory. It would take more time and effort to bring their defense up to par to slow down those teams, and I don't like their odds of keeping up in a shootout either.

They're going to continue to be a borderline playoff team who is 1 and done when they get there I think.
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Shame too. I loved Stevey. Still do.

He was a system player who thrived in the Run N Shoot system. He's a possession WR but in the slot in that system, you can get open if you're smart and Smith thrived in it.

Put him in any other system and he's a small possession WR at his best, with his injury he's probably not even that anymore.

We still <3 you Steve!
You know, I think the excat same thing about Manningham. I see a system WR that wasn't even that great in said system. Some plays here and there but alot of medicore-bad play as well. But alot of Niner fans are convinced our play-making woes on the outside are cured with his signing. I just dont see how. I think he could possibly help out in the slot, but I'm not convinced he can get off man coverage without the benefit of 'the system'.

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You need to basically commit a 1st round pick + big FA signing to each position in either order.

Draft a DE, sign a CB, sounds like a plan. They messed up bc they gave money to the wrong CB. Dunta Robinson sucks.

Had they given that money to say a Jonathan Joseph or a Brandon Carr this year, and they drafted a DE we would be talking about a much different Atlanta defense.
And that is the tricky part: you have to pick the right guys.
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I honestly didn't understand what they saw in Robinson. I always thought he was very overrated.

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They're just one of the worst equipped teams for handling the elites of the NFC right now. They have gotten absolutely raped by the Packers, Saints and Giants in recent memory. It would take more time and effort to bring their defense up to par to slow down those teams, and I don't like their odds of keeping up in a shootout either.

They're going to continue to be a borderline playoff team who is 1 and done when they get there I think.
I don't necessarily disagree. All I'm saying is, you can overhaul a unit with 1 good offseason. Atlanta crippled themselves from accomplishing that with the Julio Jones trade, but that's another story.


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You know, I think the excat same thing about Manningham. I see a system WR that wasn't even that great in said system. Some plays here and there but alot of medicore-bad play as well. But alot of Niner fans are convinced our play-making woes on the outside our cured with his signing. I just dont see how. I think he could possibly help out in the slot, but I'm not convinced he can get off man coverage without the benefit of 'the system'.
Honestly, I feel Mario was held back by our system. He's the opposite of Smith. Mario is too dumb to work in a Run N Shoot. In a timing and rhythm WCO that's much more simplified in it's route combinations I think he can thrive.

I've always said I expect Mario to be better for another team than he was with us, just bc he'll never realize his potential in our scheme. SF was the perfect fit for him. If he doesn't work out in SF, he won't work out anywhere.
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I'm pretty sure that's a HUGE over-generalization. I'm not aware of hardly any 49ers fans who feel that a #1 WR shouldn't be a priority.
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You know, I think the excat same thing about Manningham. I see a system WR that wasn't even that great in said system. Some plays here and there but alot of medicore-bad play as well. But alot of Niner fans are convinced our play-making woes on the outside are cured with his signing. I just dont see how. I think he could possibly help out in the slot, but I'm not convinced he can get off man coverage without the benefit of 'the system'.
If Mario Manningham is a system receiver, I'm ******* terrified of what he'll do once he lands in that system.
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Honestly, I feel Mario was held back by our system. He's the opposite of Smith. Mario is too dumb to work in a Run N Shoot. In a timing and rhythm WCO that's much more simplified in it's route combinations I think he can thrive.

I've always said I expect Mario to be better for another team than he was with us, just bc he'll never realize his potential in our scheme. SF was the perfect fit for him. If he doesn't work out in SF, he won't work out anywhere.
I hate to bash the guy because I love all Michigan players, but he was pretty stupid at UofM, too. He's a dumbshit version of Antonio Freeman. If you can simplify things enough (which Harbaugh might be able to do) then he can be pretty good.
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I hate to bash the guy because I love all Michigan players, but he was pretty stupid at U of M, too. He's a dumbshit version of Antonio Freeman. If you can simplify things enough (which Harbaugh might be able to do) then he can be pretty good.
I think Mario's a good fit for Alex Smith. The kid can make big plays and Alex needs guys who can make great catches and make great plays after the catch. That's why VD was that team's offensive MVP last year, Mario may be legally re-tarded, but he can make some amazing catches and do some amazing things once the ball is in his hands, provided he isn't distracted by any shiny objects. If Randy has anything left those aren't bad pieces for a QB like Smith who doesn't make great throws into tight spots and tends to check down readily.
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