New and Improved Free Agency Discussion and News Mega-Thread - Page 454

BeerBaron · 03-26-2012, 07:45 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...row-footballs/

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Let me start this one by saying that there’s no reason to believe former Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer is emerging from retirement...

That said, Jake Plummer is throwing passes in Denver. Just a curious little factoid. He'd probably be better as a pure backup than Caleb Hanie...

Brent · 03-26-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by niel89

When is the last time we had a good old fashion top 10 CB thread? Terrance Newman is still the best.

clearly we need a Top 5 Quarterbacks thread

ATLDirtyBirds · 03-26-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian_draft_fan

Would it be OK if I put this in my sig, LOL!!1

I'd feel bad replacing ST.

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Originally Posted by GaMeTiMe

If I remember correctly he was coming off an injury and/or poor season in his contract year and wasn't even supposed to be a highly-paid free agent until Atlanta got involved. Then a few days leading up to his signing there the reports started coming out that he was "going to get paid".

He had a sub par year coming off the injury. Most people thought he'd rebound, but most people also thought since his rookie? year, he hadn't been great, only pretty good. Fringe #1 corner. Everyone knew he was getting paid, but it was pretty much agreed upon Atlanta really overpaid out of need.

I think Dimitroff just got way too excited about him because he was a big fan of his coming out of the draft, and loved the fact that he tackled. Plus it was filling a massive need.

He was actually pretty good his first year. I would have been confident in saying he was a top 20 corner. Still very overpaid, but a nice piece. He was just comical bad this past year though. Didn't even tackle well.

LonghornsLegend · 03-26-2012, 08:25 PM

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The more problematic issue they're going to face is one that you stated in your post: Matt Ryan is what he is, he won't get much better than what you see. And the idea of this offense becoming a high powered offense with Ryan under center is going to become a failed experiment.

Falcons fans tend to get sensitive when I bring this up because it technically can't be proven but it's 100% accurate to me. Now is he going to get better? Sure he is. I just don't think your going to ever see him make that big leap into an elite or dominant QB that can carry his team in the playoffs.

He's going to need to have everything go right for him to win in the playoffs, and he's really the type of QB who needs a great defense and he would be a lot better then two elite WR's out there IMO.

I still don't think the Julio trade was a bad idea, just because I think guys like Julio are rare and worth the cost to secure that type of talent.

Halsey · 03-27-2012, 09:34 AM

The Falcons are gonna trade Michael Turner in return for Matt Forte, who will get a new contract.

Probably not, but it kinda makes sense.

A Perfect Score · 03-27-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

The Falcons are gonna trade Michael Turner in return for Matt Forte, who will get a new contract.

Probably not, but it kinda makes sense.

Why would the Bears do that?

regoob2 · 03-27-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

The Falcons are gonna trade Michael Turner in return for Matt Forte, who will get a new contract.

Probably not, but it kinda makes sense.

It doesnt make sense.

Halsey · 03-27-2012, 09:42 AM

Nobody thinks a QB will become "elite" until he does. Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning, etc. all had naysayers prior to becoming "elite". Unless you have a crystal ball that shows you Matt Ryan being less than elite over the coming years, I'm gonna keep hoping he steadily gets better and eventually becomes an "elite" QB.

njx9 · 03-27-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Why would the Bears do that?

why wouldn't the bears do that? such a good trade...

BeerBaron · 03-27-2012, 09:43 AM

I would be very angry with that trade. Michael Turner is getting close to garbage. He doesn't offer anything as a receiver or blocker really....no outside running ability....

Backs like that are a dime a dozen in the late rounds. It would be an incredibly stupid move for the Bears to make. Let's not even joke about it.

Jvig43 · 03-27-2012, 09:48 AM

Alright I'll just come out and say it and cut out the questioning. That would be, like the dumbest ******* thing I have ever seen on this earth if the bears accepted that trade. Only in a Falcons fans head does that trade make sense.

BamaFalcon59 · 03-27-2012, 09:52 AM

While Turner has fallen off a good bit, he gets a little too much hate for somebody who has 1,300+ yards rushing in three of the last four years along with fifty touchdowns.

That said, trade wouldn't happen.

BeerBaron · 03-27-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

Alright I'll just come out and say it and cut out the questioning. That would be, like the dumbest ******* thing I have ever seen on this earth if the bears accepted that trade. Only in a Falcons fans head does that trade make sense.

Most Falcon fans know that would be a stupid trade and could never happen.

Halsey · 03-27-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Why would the Bears do that?

Because they don't really want to give Forte a long term contract? And because I'm bored. Turner could be a solid contributor for them and I believe he'd be off their books after this season, freeing them up to sign someone else next offseason.

Also, Turner is from Illinois, so he'd get a +1 speed bonus for playing for Da Bears.

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It doesnt make sense.

Does too.

ATLDirtyBirds · 03-27-2012, 10:01 AM

First off, that trade prosposal was amusing. Thank you for that.

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

While Turner has fallen off a good bit, he gets a little too much hate for somebody who has 1,300+ yards rushing in three of the last four years along with fifty touchdowns.

That said, trade wouldn't happen.

He does get a bit too much hate, but some of it's pretty justified. He's not what he was earlier in his Falcons, is extremely one demensional, and has benefited greatly from running behind the best FB in football.

Halsey · 03-27-2012, 10:02 AM

Let's not get carried away exaggerating about how much Turner has fallen off.

TDs over the last two years:

Turner: 23
Forte: 13

scottyboy · 03-27-2012, 10:08 AM

brandon jacobs has 16 touchdowns in the last 2 years, so clearly he's better than Forte.

stats can quite often be misleading

Halsey · 03-27-2012, 10:10 AM

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brandon jacobs has 16 touchdowns in the last 2 years, so clearly he's better than Forte.

stats can quite often be misleading

So touchdowns are just stats?

ATLDirtyBirds · 03-27-2012, 10:13 AM

Once we got inside the 10 (even more specifically inside the 5), Muarkey got a boner because he knew he could just call runs up the middle leading to Turner TDs. Doesn't make Turner an elite back.

A Perfect Score · 03-27-2012, 10:26 AM

If the Bears were going to trade Forte for anything, it certainly wouldn't be Mike ******* Turner.

Bert Macklin · 03-27-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

If the Bears were going to trade Forte for anything, it certainly wouldn't be Mike ******* Turner.

there's about a -1000% chance this happens.

brat316 · 03-27-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

Once we got inside the 10 (even more specifically inside the 5), Muarkey got a boner because he knew he could just call runs up the middle leading to Turner TDs. Doesn't make Turner an elite back.

The ole Jerome Bettis thought of line. Have deuce staley run hard, until inside the 5, then bring out the bus. He had more TDs than yards.