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WinslowBodden · 03-09-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

So since it's obvious you don't understand how contract negotiations and contracts go, how much did he deserve to be paid then? Since he was overpaid. And your comment "good but not amazing QB", could be applied to Ben Roethlisberger too. You choose to use that way of describing him because your judging him off of his regular season play, not playoffs. I choose to value and judge a QB off of how he plays in the post season.

Why are you getting personal exactly? I understand how contract negotiations go, I am a business major and understand market value, I am not ******* stupid. Just because that is how they go, doesn't mean I cannot think they paid a large premium for him based on his overall skill set, even if their hand was forced.

I never even took a shot at you at any point nor did I say Flacco didn't play well in the post season, this whole thing was about Boldin getting ****** over because they had to give Flacco such a large contract even though Boldin was a HUGE reason for Flacco's success in the post season if not the biggest reason for his success.

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And what point are you trying to make by talking about how Boldin bailed him out, or how they needed him so bad? So when an elite QB wins the SB or has any post season success, it's all because of the QB? It's never because they had a WR or TE make some clutch catches or score TD's? When has that ever happened before? You continually bring that up, of course Boldin played well, but 100% of the time at least 1 skill position player has to have played well for the QB to of won the game. So trying to discredit Flacco by talking about what Boldin did makes little to no sense, Flacco's last 2 playoffs speak for themselves.

Where do I discredit Flacco and say he sucks or anything? Once again, I simply stated that Boldin was a huge reason for Flacco's success (go back and read this statement again because it has seemed to elude you as you are more concerned with getting angry and not reading anything I actually say while constantly questioning my intelligence).

Again, Boldin was a huge success, and they are planning on getting rid of him. If they plan on being successful as a team moving forward they better find another target that Flacco can trust to make catches in tight coverage and move the chains the way Boldin did. Currently they do not have anyone else on the roster that can step up and do what Boldin did, and I think it will show early for the Ravens.

Also, without Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Boldin ETC. I don't see this team being nearly as good as they were last year in one of the toughest divisions in football.

But hey, I guess allocating one sixth of your total cap space to one player and not keeping his favorite target is a recipe for success today.

Ness · 03-09-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

William Moore re-signs with Atlanta, five year deal

Dang. Didn't think that would happen.

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

Not forcing a guy that was essential to your Super Bowl to take a pay cut or threatening to release him.

He got paid 19-22 million dollars (depending on the source) in the last three years from the Ravens. That's quite a bit of gratitude already.

Ness · 03-09-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

That's classy. The guy carries the **** out of the offense in the playoffs, they reward Flacco with a ridiculous contract, and then threaten to cut him.

I don't think it's a personal thing like the title of the article makes it out to be. It's simply a numbers game. The Ravens have to do what they have to do to get under the cap and probably feel like they'd rather utilize the remaining funds they have elsewhere.

WinslowBodden · 03-09-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

He got paid 19-22 million dollars (depending on the source) in the last three years from the Ravens. That's quite a bit of gratitude already.

And it's not like he didn't live up to that contract.

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Originally Posted by Ness

I don't think it's a personal thing like the title of the article makes it out to be. It's simply a numbers game. The Ravens have to do what they have to do to get under the cap and probably feel like they'd rather utilize the remaining funds they have elsewhere.

Yeah, I understand they probably are. I just think they're going to regret that they had to pay Flacco as much as they did because they aren't going to be able to be as strong everywhere else and I don't see Flacco as one of the quarterbacks that makes everyone around him that much better.

Just my take.

robert pancake gallery · 03-09-2013, 12:31 PM

the ravens are a lock to go back-to-back next season with flacco and his jump ball throwing ability

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

And it's not like he didn't live up to that contract.

How is that relevant? You don't pay a guy for what he did for you, you pay him for what you think he will do for you.

Boldin was paid 22 million dollars for three years of his career, after basically forcing a trade out of Arizona (where Baltimore didn't have give up that much for him). In the long run, Baltimore was really wise to make the trade and give him the short extension, and Boldin made more money than any person could ever reasonably want.

Now they are deciding that they don't want to pay him another 6 million base salary (still a lot of money for a receiver) for a year in which he'll be 33 and likely have diminishing value.This is a problem why?

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

I just think they're going to regret that they had to pay Flacco as much as they did because they aren't going to be able to be as strong everywhere else and I don't see Flacco as one of the quarterbacks that makes everyone around him that much better.

So they would have been better off to let Flacco walk so that they could keep Boldin around? And have who throw to him?

SuperMcGee · 03-09-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hines

James Harrison officially cut. I'll miss him. A lot.

Bills re-up McKelvin 4 years for 20 million. LOL!

McKelvin is basically our second biggest threat to score in a game :/
Getting paid like a corner, though, and he certainly wants to be one. In good position to be one of our top-3, as should be obvious with the contract.

robert pancake gallery · 03-09-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

So they would have been better off to let Flacco walk so that they could keep Boldin around? And have who throw to him?

i hear NBA referees can also throw jump-balls

Monomach · 03-09-2013, 12:52 PM

Apparently, the Bears aren't even going to tender RFA DT Nate Collins. Stupid. He was really solid in the rotation this year.

I think he's getting screwed because the new DC was his DC in Jacksonville when they gave him away. Probably didn't even watch last year's film on him.

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

i hear NBA referees can also throw jump-balls

Colt McCoy and Brandon Weeden. I don't even need a further argument.

BallerT1215 · 03-09-2013, 12:53 PM

Woke up to see McKelvin 4yr/20mil resigned and.....

Monomach · 03-09-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215

Woke up to see McKelvin 4yr/20mil resigned and.....

This is why they can't afford Levitre, lol.

SuperPacker · 03-09-2013, 01:11 PM

Late to the party, but it's ridiculous to say the Ravens are unclassy for saying they're going cut Boldin if he doesn't take a pay cut. The Ravens are looking our for themselves and that's exactly what they should do. You don't keep a guy because of what he's done, you keep him because of what he's going to do and if the Ravens don't think they can afford to pay Boldin what he is going to make it is perfectly alright of them to say "you have to either take a pay cut or leave". It's pretty pathetic if you think sentiment should be placed above winning.

robert pancake gallery · 03-09-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Colt McCoy and Brandon Weeden. I don't even need a further argument.

what, they both suck? the browns would love to have flacco, they would also love to have about 30 other quarterbacks.

BallerT1215 · 03-09-2013, 01:21 PM

Boldin says shove that pay cut up your .....

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2078/anquan-boldin

"USA Today reports Anquan Boldin has rejected the Ravens' proposed pay cut and is "preparing" for unrestricted free agency.
While talks remain "ongoing," the Ravens' initial offer clearly wasn't to Boldin's liking. Boldin stated after the season that he'd retire if Baltimore cut him, but that's not happening. Boldin is notoriously and bullish in opinions about his worth dating back to his Arizona days. "Once he's decided, you might as well try to move the Rock of Gibraltar," a source said. "I think he was trying to express loyalty to them," the source added of Boldin's retirement pledge. "I know that he's hoping to stay with them, but he's willing to go someplace else." Mar 9 - 1:54 PM"

MidwayMonster31 · 03-09-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

Apparently, the Bears aren't even going to tender RFA DT Nate Collins. Stupid. He was really solid in the rotation this year.

I think he's getting screwed because the new DC was his DC in Jacksonville when they gave him away. Probably didn't even watch last year's film on him.

I think his substance abuse problems might have more to do with it. He's just fine talent-wise, but one more strike and there goes the season.

A Perfect Score · 03-09-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215

Boldin says shove that pay cut up your .....

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2078/anquan-boldin

"USA Today reports Anquan Boldin has rejected the Ravens' proposed pay cut and is "preparing" for unrestricted free agency.
While talks remain "ongoing," the Ravens' initial offer clearly wasn't to Boldin's liking. Boldin stated after the season that he'd retire if Baltimore cut him, but that's not happening. Boldin is notoriously and bullish in opinions about his worth dating back to his Arizona days. "Once he's decided, you might as well try to move the Rock of Gibraltar," a source said. "I think he was trying to express loyalty to them," the source added of Boldin's retirement pledge. "I know that he's hoping to stay with them, but he's willing to go someplace else." Mar 9 - 1:54 PM"

I was hoping we'd be able to work out some sort of extension which lowered his cap number this coming season and prorated the bonus over a few extra seasons, but apparently that's not going to happen. Sigh.

I said multiple times in this thread this is why the Flacco deal is problematic; not from the Ravens perspective, but from Flacco's. He needed to realize that taking 20 million a year instead of 17 actually cripples the team and doesn't do a damn thing for him in the long run, as he's going to make more money than he could ever spend in his NFL career. He even came out after the contract and said it wasn't about money, it was about respect...I don't get it, man. I don't.

Monomach · 03-09-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MidwayMonster31

I think his substance abuse problems might have more to do with it. He's just fine talent-wise, but one more strike and there goes the season.

He's only been caught once (pot) and they knew about it when they signed him the first time. The only thing that's happened in the meantime is him playing well and not getting into trouble.

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

what, they both suck? the browns would love to have flacco, they would also love to have about 30 other quarterbacks.

Which is the point. If you don't have a quarterback you are ******. What could the Ravens possibly do without Flacco? You can make cracks about jump balls or whatever, but the Browns show that without a quarterback you are a perpetual basement dweller.

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

He even came out after the contract and said it wasn't about money, it was about respect...I don't get it, man. I don't.

Everyone says that, and it's always about the money.

A Perfect Score · 03-09-2013, 01:43 PM

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Everyone says that, and it's always about the money.

I suppose there's that, but at the same time...Does it make sense to you to want $20 million a season if it means losing a vital part of your team? To me, when you're speaking in those amounts of dollars, you have to look beyond avarice and start thinking about how your greed is going to impact your success on the field. It seems counter intuitive to me.

bearsfan_51 · 03-09-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I suppose there's that, but at the same time...Does it make sense to you to want $20 million a season if it means losing a vital part of your team? To me, when you're speaking in those amounts of dollars, you have to look beyond avarice and start thinking about how your greed is going to impact your success on the field. It seems counter intuitive to me.

Depends on what you're interested in, I guess. He already has a Superbowl ring, so he can check that off his list. While a few extra million dollars off might help the Ravens sign more players, Flacco has no guarantee they are going to actually do that, nor does he have any say in how they will spend that money (not that he should, but you take my point).

In the long run, I think most pro athletes care more about money than about winning. Getting both is ideal, but when push comes to shove I think they'd rather have the money.

BallerT1215 · 03-09-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I was hoping we'd be able to work out some sort of extension which lowered his cap number this coming season and prorated the bonus over a few extra seasons, but apparently that's not going to happen. Sigh.

I said multiple times in this thread this is why the Flacco deal is problematic; not from the Ravens perspective, but from Flacco's. He needed to realize that taking 20 million a year instead of 17 actually cripples the team and doesn't do a damn thing for him in the long run, as he's going to make more money than he could ever spend in his NFL career. He even came out after the contract and said it wasn't about money, it was about respect...I don't get it, man. I don't.

Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Big Ben. They all got it and restructured their deals at some point, maybe Flacco will down the road as well.