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Tate deal is worth about 7 mil I guess
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Good move for the Browns, even if they only get 20 games out of him
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Roman Harper to the Panthers on a two-year, $4.5 million contract.
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What's a fair 2 year deal for Ryan Clark??
I think he wants something close to 2 yrs/$10 mil and Bruce Allen IMO is never going to pay him that.
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@AdamSchefter: Former Saints Pro-Bowl S Roman Harper reached agreement with Panthers on a two-year, $4.5M deal that includes $1.5M sign bonus, per source.
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Tom Pelissero tweeted this:

"No matter how Julius Peppers' contract with #Packers is structured, decent chance he counts more on #Bears cap this season ($8,366,668)."
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"No matter how Julius Peppers' contract with #Packers is structured, decent chance he counts more on #Bears cap this season ($8,366,668)."
They already said that he's 8.5m for the Pack this season. We're both getting bent over the barrel, but only you have to actually waste snaps on him.

I can forgive the guy for slowing down and losing his explosion. That's understandable. But I have no desire to have him here because on top of losing it physically, he looked like he didn't care by the end of the season when we were still in a position to get in the playoffs.

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The Packers aren't paying Peppers to be a defensive cornerstone, they're paying him to be a better rotational player than CJ Wilson.
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The Packers aren't paying Peppers to be a defensive cornerstone, they're paying him to be a better rotational player than CJ Wilson.
I'm sure that's the (way too expensive) plan, but when Clay Matthews gets his yearly injury...

Now, I thought Shaun Phillips and/or Robert Ayers to you guys would be a thing. I was a little worried about that.
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Yeah, this is just blatantly false. You should probably look at both teams' cap situations before just making a blind assumption.

Seattle has 52M in cap space for 2015, and can cut Lynch, Mebane, Okung, and Zach Miller to free up as much as 22.5M more.

They biggest cap hits next year are Harvin at 12.9, Bennett at 8, and the best SS in the league at 5.5 (extended last year). That's it. The rest of it will be spent on ETIII, Wilson, Wagner, and most likely Sherman.

Will they lose some good UFA's - perhaps Avril/Irvin (like they did this year with Tate)? Possibly. Will they comp. picks for those guys? Yes.

And if they don't replenish via the draft, they probably won't be as good complementing their core of Wilson, Harvin, Kam, ETIII, Bennett, Wagner. But why wouldn't they continue to draft well? They have every year.

Will they have a team as good as the 2013 squad from top to bottom? Probably not. They had ridiculous depth pretty much everywhere.

But they aren't anywhere near cap hell. You don't get into cap hell unless you give out multiple bad contracts you can't get out of (cough, Panthers, cough).

Extending your own guys and continuing to draft well is a surefire way to stay out of cap hell. Both SEA and SF have done this.
Hmm, this makes me curious.

Currently, Seattle is on the books for $87,750,808 with 44 players under roster. If the cap room is set at $140 million, as predicted, Seattle will have $52,249,192 million in cap room. Currently, they have $13,483,637 in cap room. Remove $5 million for draft picks, that leaves about $8 million. Assume half of that is spent filling out the roster, and you get $4 million. Let's say that $4 million is then rolled over to 2015, meaning Seattle will have $56,249,192 million in cap room, or rounded up to $57 million.

2015 notable free agents are:

WR Doug Baldwin
OG James Carpenter
LB K.J. Wright
LB Malcolm Smith
DE Cliff Avril
CB Richard Sherman
S Earl Thomas

2016 notable free agents are:

QB Russell Wilson
RB Marshawn Lynch
RB Robert Turbin
TE Zach Miller
OT Russell Okung
DT Brandon Mebane
LB Bobby Wagner
LB Bruce Irvin

I don't think Seattle wants to go into the season without locking some of those guys up, because otherwise they'll hit free agency. Sherman and Thomas will probably get, IMO, the largest CB and S deals in the league, while Wilson will want a very large QB deal too.

These are the largest deals for those three positions:
QB - Aaron Rodgers - $110 million over 5 years, average of $22 million
CB - Darrelle Revis (team option) - $32 million over 2 years, average of $12 million
S - Jairus Byrd, New Orleans - $54 million over 6 years, average of $9 million

So for 2015, from the $57 million cap room available, let's say Sherman gets the same as Revis, $12 million a year, and Earl Thomas gets $10 million a year. That leaves $35 million for the other guys. Assuming they do extend Wilson early, that takes out another $20 million (not as high as Rodgers, but as high as Ryan, Flacco, and Brees), leaving $15 million.

I would assume Seattle allows either Malcolm Smith or K.J. Wright to leave, with the other getting a deal that pays around $5 million a year. The top earning 4-3 OLBs all average over $5 million a year (Mayo, Briggs, Greenway, Kiwanuka, Miller).

That leaves $10 million, minus $5 million for 2015 rookies, a total of $5 million.

Guys remaining:

WR Doug Baldwin
OG James Carpenter
DE Cliff Avril

For 2016, they need to either resign or replace the following guys:

RB Marshawn Lynch
RB Robert Turbin
TE Zach Miller
OT Russell Okung
DT Brandon Mebane
LB Bobby Wagner
LB Bruce Irvin

So tl;dr, Seattle will probably be good for 2014 and 2015, but after that it's going to get ugly.

Reminds me of the Steelers when they had to pay up for their defense. Gave large deals (deservedly so) to Polamalu (2011), Woodley (2011), and Timmons (2011), after giving other ones before to Roethlisberger (2008) and Harrison (2009). Team couldn't do anything from 2011 until this season, having to restructure young guys' deals to clear space to resign some guys and draft picks, and having to part ways with guys like Mike Wallace, Keenan Lewis, and now LaMarr Woodley. This year we finally did something with Mike Mitchell. Next year we finally have some legit cap room with $50 million available.
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What's a fair 2 year deal for Ryan Clark??
I think he wants something close to 2 yrs/$10 mil and Bruce Allen IMO is never going to pay him that.
Hmm, I think anywhere between $3 and $4 million is good for him. He's old, but he can still play. Tackling machine for us, but frequently dinged up with stingers and stuff. Also, he can't play in Denver.
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So with the most cap room in the league, the Raiders have let 2 up and comers--one on each side of the ball and on the lines I might add--sign with other teams for team-friendly deals. Additionally, they let their more productive running back leave in FA and re-signed their oft-injured and unproductive RB to a 1-year deal.

On the flip-side, the have added just 4 players of varying talent but none as good as the 2 who left the team. And now the top building-block FAs are off the market. So the Raiders are left with an old team with tons of holes, lots of money to spend and no one of value to spend it on. Is there anyone with a roster as talent-poor as this team?

QB: McGloin-Pryor-Edwards
RB: McFadden-Murray
FB: Reece
LT: Watson-Barnes
LG: ???-Barnes
C: Wisniewski
RG: Brisiel-Bergstrom
RT: Howard-Barnes
TE: Rivera-Kasa-Ausberry

RE: Woodley-Crawford
DT: Smith-
DT: ???-McGee-
LE: Tuck-
WLB: Burnett
MLB: Roach
SLB: Moore
CB: Hayden-???
CB: Brown-???
FS: ???
SS: Branch

Moving forward: At the end of the season, Charles Woodson said this is a team that lacks identity. And while Wisniewski is a very good center, the best way to improve this team and create an identity is to grab a stud like Alex Mack and put Wiz at guard. Then you grab a guard in the 2nd or 3rd and suddenly 4/5 of the line is absolutely studly in the run game. Identity found. Problems at left tackle would be masked with a solid line like that.

First round you grab Bridgewater if available, otherwise you get Clowney or Mack and Daniel McCullers or DeQuan Jones and suddenly the front defense doesn't look bad either. Identity found.

It's still likely to be a top 3 pick in 2015, but it would be a solid start for the next GM and coach.
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James Starks is visiting Pittsburgh Monday. The team needs RBs bad and he's shown well when healthy and in action. I doubt they break the bank on him but he could be a solid back up. I loved him coming out of the draft and feel he'd be a nice move.
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Vikings resign guard Charlie Johnson. Looks like 2 years, 5 mil. The rest of the league rejoices.
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Contracts in the NFL are all about the guaranteed money. The rest of those figures are just numbers that can be manipulated year to year to keep the team cap number healthy.

The guaranteed money the Seahawks will have to pay out to keep Sherman/Thomas/Wilson is going to be very tricky.
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He stated that they are approaching cap hell, which they very well could be. For example if Earl Thomas get 8-10, Sherman get 10, Wilson gets 15-18 thats around 30-32 on a back loaded contract. Factor in they have around 33 people under contract for 2015 and say they average 1m filling those guys out that'd be the 52m right there.

That's not factoring in the resigning of guys like Bobby Wagner, Russell Okung for the future.

Lastly, let's not act like the Seahawks haven't had some bad drafting. Last year the most contribution was a TE 20r 272y 1td. James Carpenter or John Moffit mean anything?

Assuming they are going to continue to select pro bowl players in the 5th round is just a little too ignorant for me.

While they're not in cap hell, and are nowhere close in current day to be so, they will lose some of their "core" players and they will be hard to replace. They will have to pay their QB which will effect their ability to pay the rest of the squad. They will have to analyze and decide which members can and which can't be replaced. If they handle this properly they will avoid cap problems, but if they do not they could enter a cap situation
Carpenter and Moffit were misses for sure, but to point at last years draft class and say it wasn't good because of a lack of production is just, well, dumb. A bunch of rookies coming on 1 of (the) most talented rosters in the league? What did you expect? That draft was almost purely done looking at possible needs 2-3 years into the future. Willson was really the only guy that had a chance of getting significant playing time from the beggining, and he looked great. Bowie also got some playing time due to injuries on the OL.

Harper was a miss, wasn't good enough to male the 53 because Stephen Williams and Kearse stepped up big time, so they tried to sneak him on the PS and failed. He still may end up being a decent player, just not in Seattle.

The Schneider/Carroll regime has been finding late round and under the radar FA talent for 4 years now, there is no reason to think that will change.

Staying out of cap trouble will be tricky, yes, but if you haven't noticed they don't go put spending big money in free agency or give dumb contracts to replaceable players.
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I'd like AZ to finish up with a RT & CB then grab a TE/OLB in rounds 1 & 2
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Cap hell would imply Seattle has already signed bad deals that will **** them in the future, what's actually happening is they'll have roster turnover like every team ever and have to pay certain players big money, like every team ever.
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Yeah, having so many talented players that you're going to struggle paying them all isn't really "hell". Seattle is in cap heaven.
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I'm sure that's the (way too expensive) plan, but when Clay Matthews gets his yearly injury...

Now, I thought Shaun Phillips and/or Robert Ayers to you guys would be a thing. I was a little worried about that.
Phillips would have been a nice addition. I also thought Jared Allen could be a possibility until he decided to price himself into retirement.
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Now, I thought Shaun Phillips and/or Robert Ayers to you guys would be a thing. I was a little worried about that.
Let's be real here.

The Peppers deal doesn't affect our cap in any meaningful way. Effectively a one year deal that doesn't hurt us in any way.

And we did it for one reason. We know he can be effective the rare times he is motivated. Aka; we're excited when he scares the poo out of Cutler and locks us two wins over da Bearz. That, alone, is worth the contract.

If he happens to be motivated in the playoffs, his last chance for a super bowl, suh-weet. But really, we just want to make da Bearz cry even more.
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The Panthers' front seven turned Mike Mitchell into a $25 million safety in one year, so Roman Harper should do just fine back there. Solid, inexpensive signing in my opinion.
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