The 2012 Cowboys Draft Thread - Page 10

D-Unit · 12-12-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bigmac076

Based on that 400 yard performance from Eli:

1. DEFENSE
2. DEFENSE

Fixed it. :)

Seriously... it's not just them, although it was pretty sickening to watch.

Eli stayed clean in the pocket and the OL held up nicely against us all night. I wish we could've had more pressure.

JBCX · 12-12-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I certainly hope not.

You don't want the consensus #1 CB in the draft?

Macarthur · 12-12-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Fixed it. :)

Seriously... it's not just them, although it was pretty sickening to watch.

Eli stayed clean in the pocket and the OL held up nicely against us all night. I wish we could've had more pressure.

Yep. How does a team with a banged up OL throw the ball 47 times and not give up a single sack?

I've got a hot sports opinion - What type of value would D Ware bring? Could you get two one's for him?

I love D Ware as much as anyone (even have his jersey), but other than NO a couple of years ago, I don't remember him making a single play when the game is on the line.

Paul · 12-12-2011, 11:55 AM

Why does everyone want to trade everyone now a days?

M.O.T.H. · 12-12-2011, 01:03 PM

Our defense without Ware is complete ****. Trading away a HoF pass rusher in the prime of his career....always a good idea.

princefielder28 · 12-12-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Macarthur

I've got a hot sports opinion - What type of value would D Ware bring? Could you get two one's for him?

I love D Ware as much as anyone (even have his jersey), but other than NO a couple of years ago, I don't remember him making a single play when the game is on the line.

you have got to be kidding here...Ware is one of the top 3 pass rushers in the league and not only can he not be replaced by whatever pick compensation you think you could get but your garbage pass rush would become non-existent...as a pass rusher, especially of his caliber, most of his impact comes indirectly or does not reflect in the box score...he'll get a sack or two in a game but the double teams he commands and the overall pressure he is able to create can not be matched or measured unless you see the significance of losing a guy of his caliber...the two most important guys on the football field are the quarterback and pass rusher, everything else can be judged based on schemes/fits and such, and if you remove one of the game's best at one of those positions then there's absolutely no way your team is better off in the short term or long term...Dallas has issues (the OL and secondary) but don't act like this team is beyond repair in the near future

Macarthur · 12-12-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Our defense without Ware is complete ****. Trading away a HoF pass rusher in the prime of his career....always a good idea.

Look, I'm just throwing this out there to chew on. I probably could not pull the trigger either, but I think there's a point to be made about Ware tending to disappear late in games. LIke the rest of the defense, he's a beast in the 1st half and then fades into the night.

If some jackwagons are going to get on here and ride Romo's butt, then Ware needs some heat, too. He had two brain dead penalties, one on the last drive.

NOtice how active JPP was for the Giants in the 4th quarter?

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Macarthur

Look, I'm just throwing this out there to chew on. I probably could not pull the trigger either, but I think there's a point to be made about Ware tending to disappear late in games. LIke the rest of the defense, he's a beast in the 1st half and then fades into the night.

If some jackwagons are going to get on here and ride Romo's butt, then Ware needs some heat, too. He had two brain dead penalties, one on the last drive.

NOtice how active JPP was for the Giants in the 4th quarter?

Ware is over valued IMHO.

What 4 sacks in a game they lost 34-7? Wow!

I expect from Ware what JPP did last night.

Macarthur · 12-12-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksknicks

Ware is over valued IMHO.

What 4 sacks in a game they lost 34-7? Wow!

I expect from Ware what JPP did last night.

Agree.

Seriously, the Saints game a couple of years ago when he caused the fumble that ended the game, I don't remember him making an impact play late in a game. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Macarthur

Agree.

Seriously, the Saints game a couple of years ago when he caused the fumble that ended the game, I don't remember him making an impact play late in a game. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

I also made this point last night.

DeMarcus is a great player but he does not make many game changing plays for a guy with his REP. Clay Mathews makes more plays. Harrison in Pittsburgh does.

Just some guys get amped for the moment and they do great things. DeMarcus seems to run same speed all the time which is great in first quarter but not so in the 4th when it is time for the money shot.

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 02:10 PM

To me, our entire roster is for sale after this season.

If I could gut it and get picks to restock and rebuild as a RUNNING TEAM with stout D -- sign me up.

Paul · 12-12-2011, 02:18 PM

This place has gone insane. I'm going to Off-Topic for awhile.

princefielder28 · 12-12-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksknicks

Ware is over valued IMHO.

What 4 sacks in a game they lost 34-7? Wow!

I expect from Ware what JPP did last night.

I'm not trying to water down what JPP did last night but his performance goes to show you how beneficial it is for a defense to have more than one guy who can get after the passer...the Giants have ends that command plenty of attention allowing JPP to be a terror in the middle, especially on passing downs...the Dallas defense has Ware and that's it! a better pass rush allows a team to have some deficiancies in the defensive backfield too...sadly the Cowboys have a one man pass rush and some crap at CB/S, making for a bad combination

D-Unit · 12-12-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX

You don't want the consensus #1 CB in the draft?

Nope. Not at the cost that it will take to move up. We move up that high? I want Barkley.

D-Unit · 12-12-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Macarthur

Look, I'm just throwing this out there to chew on. I probably could not pull the trigger either, but I think there's a point to be made about Ware tending to disappear late in games. LIke the rest of the defense, he's a beast in the 1st half and then fades into the night.

If some jackwagons are going to get on here and ride Romo's butt, then Ware needs some heat, too. He had two brain dead penalties, one on the last drive.

NOtice how active JPP was for the Giants in the 4th quarter?

Get outta here imposter!!!! What did you do with the real Mac???!!!

D-Unit · 12-12-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul

This place has gone insane. I'm going to Off-Topic for awhile.

I'm joining you. I cannot tolerate the idiocy.

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul

This place has gone insane. I'm going to Off-Topic for awhile.

I guess you must like mistake prone mediocrity like Jerry.

Always next year with this cast of soft, under-achievers.

Macarthur · 12-12-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Get outta here imposter!!!! What did you do with the real Mac???!!!

Mac who? :)

MetSox17 · 12-12-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I'm joining you. I cannot tolerate the idiocy.

lol really?

M.O.T.H. · 12-12-2011, 03:46 PM

The majority of you have all gone bat **** crazy...

:)

The quality of posts has really dipped in the Cowboys section as of late, that's for damn sure. These close losses will do that to a fanbase, I suppose.

MetSox17 · 12-12-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

The majority of you have all gone bat **** crazy...

:)

The quality of posts has really dipped in the Cowboys section as of late, that's for damn sure. These close losses will do that to a fanbase, I suppose.

When you have D-Unit and Bob constantly posting and throwing out ideas, that's what happens. They're like casual fans in how fickle they are, it's incredibly frustrating/annoying. Any kind of serious discussion after a close loss is the end of the world around here.

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

The majority of you have all gone bat **** crazy...

:)

The quality of posts has really dipped in the Cowboys section as of late, that's for damn sure. These close losses will do that to a fanbase, I suppose.

Where you the one who critiqued D-Unit for using this same style of conducting dialogue?

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 04:18 PM

To the fans who think I am over reacting (or D-Unit) ....

You guys accept mediocrity for fear of being bad.

I accept being bad for fear of mediocrity.

This Cowboys team is bona-fide mediocre since 2006 with the cast of "Stars" you defend.

Sometimes, it ain't the Coach. It is the Players.

I propose make drastic changes to player personnel in order to win SB. Not go 9-7 every other year with an occasional 6-10.

yanksknicks · 12-12-2011, 04:20 PM

I hate mediocrity in all its forms. It is filth that contaminates. It wants the benefits of extraordinary but never wishes to do the work. Mediocrity is a sickness plagued by jealousy, laziness, entitlement and poor results.

I want excellence.

M.O.T.H. · 12-12-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksknicks

Where you the one who critiqued D-Unit for using this same style of conducting dialogue?

Say what? I just think it's funny how a lot of posters react nowadays. The quality has dipped for sure...everyone wants to be the new Skip Bayless, it seems. Just being truthful, this has been a rough year in the Cowboys forums. It just seems more casual like. Not trying to hate, but it just hasnt been the same compared to past years, imo. Some of the stuff being said, is just really out there. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but if I wanted to listen to dudes make ridiculous Madden like trade offers and bash players for all the wrong reasons...I'd just find any casual Cowboy fan on the street, or post on the dmn blog...among the many other weak Cowboy forums.

But anyway, I like how everyone's answer is to trade star players. As if trading player personel was that prominent in the NFL anyway. The NFL is not the NBA, MLB, or NHL...player trades are a rare occurence. I swear Madden/Fantasy football has warped fans minds.