The 2012 Cowboys Draft Thread - Page 119

pocketaces · 04-25-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewyVuitton

I will guarantee you right now that Barron goes ahead of DeCastro and Coples. Done deal.

Maybe Cox will go ahead of him, which would make sense and possibly Ingram due to need, not skill.

You guys need to realize this isnt the only place for draft news. And BTB is an u reliable as they come -- its a fan blogger website that only writes puff pieces of the Cowboys.

31 other teams out there and hundreds of news sources. Open your perspective and see what the talk is around the league. Trust me. This is only one source of information, it isnt the end all say all that some on here act like.

Nobody is this thread is an ex scout, nobody is talking to league execs. So please spare me the "crazy talk" -- I'm relaying info to you guys that seems to be accepted everywhere except this board

And I agree, sounds like hes going to be a top 10 pick. IMO hes not Elite to the point I would want to give up 14, a 3RD and a 4th to move up for him. Hell, Im not all that fired up about taking him at 14, I sure dont want to give up extra picks for him. IMO that would be crazy for us to do. We need several players, maybe even more picks than we have, more than we need to give picks up for 1 player. Again thats just my opinion.

yanksknicks · 04-25-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

And I agree, sounds like hes going to be a top 10 pick. IMO hes not Elite to the point I would want to give up 14, a 3RD and a 4th to move up for him. Hell, Im not all that fired up about taking him at 14, I sure dont want to give up extra picks for him. IMO that would be crazy for us to do. We need several players, maybe even more picks than we have, more than we need to give picks up for 1 player. Again thats just my opinion.

This is correct.

Starting C who can slide to OG
Back-up/soon to start TE
Starting DE
Developmental DT
Starting ILB
Developmental OLB
Nickel CB
Starting S

QB, RB, WR are fine. OT we are fine. Punter, FGK fine.

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksknicks

Barron is being pumped by Saban and Belichek is happy to go along.

How much you want to bet NE benefits from the frenzy over Barron in some form.

From what I remember, the Barron frenzy started with a rumor NE wanted to use its two 1st to get him.

He went from 20-30 to top 6 in like 1 month.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...rk-Barron.html

Please read.

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

And I agree, sounds like hes going to be a top 10 pick. IMO hes not Elite to the point I would want to give up 14, a 3RD and a 4th to move up for him. Hell, Im not all that fired up about taking him at 14, I sure dont want to give up extra picks for him. IMO that would be crazy for us to do. We need several players, maybe even more picks than we have, more than we need to give picks up for 1 player. Again thats just my opinion.

For the record I said 4th this year, 3rd next year. Depends on where we have him graded. *IF* we have him in the top 6 on our board, would you make that trade?

Ill pose you the same question about Cox -- if we had him as a top 6 player on our board, with DE being a position of need, would you trade a 4 and a 3 to go get him?

Personally, I would in a heartbeat. If we have them ranked that high we believe they can be impact players, which we need.

pocketaces · 04-25-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewyVuitton

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...rk-Barron.html

Please read.

From this ^^^ website

RANK PLAYER, POS, TEAM HEIGHT WEIGHT GRADE
01 Andrew Luck QB, Stanford 6-4 235 9.0 Full Scouting Report
02 Morris Claiborne CB, Louisiana State 6-0 185 8.5 J Full Scouting Report
03 David DeCastro OG, Stanford 6-5 310 8.5 Full Scouting Report
04 Trent Richardson RB, Alabama 5-11 224 8.5 Full Scouting Report
05 Michael Brockers DT, Louisiana State 6-6 306 8.0 D J Full Scouting Report
06 Matt Kalil OT, Southern California 6-7 295 8.0 B J Full Scouting Report
07 Coby Fleener TE, Stanford 6-6 244 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
08 Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor 6-2 220 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
09 Luke Kuechly ILB, Boston College 6-3 237 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
10 Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 6-6 285 7.5 C U Full Scouting Report
11 Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama 6-3 192 7.5 C J Full Scouting Report
12 Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State 6-1 215 7.5 C Full Scouting Report
13 Cordy Glenn OG, Georgia 6-5 348 7.5 Full Scouting Report
14 Melvin Ingram OLB, South Carolina 6-2 276 7.5 Full Scouting Report
15 Mark Barron SS, Alabama 6-2 218

Just saying...

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

And I agree, sounds like hes going to be a top 10 pick. IMO hes not Elite to the point I would want to give up 14, a 3RD and a 4th to move up for him. Hell, Im not all that fired up about taking him at 14, I sure dont want to give up extra picks for him. IMO that would be crazy for us to do. We need several players, maybe even more picks than we have, more than we need to give picks up for 1 player. Again thats just my opinion.

Also, why dont you believe he's elite? Something youve seen, or just the fact youve been led to believe he's a box safety when the truth is he plays everywhere.

leroyisgod · 04-25-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksknicks

This is correct.

Starting C who can slide to OG
Back-up/soon to start TE
Starting DE
Developmental DT
Starting ILB
Developmental OLB
Nickel CB
Starting S

QB, RB, WR are fine. OT we are fine. Punter, FGK fine.

I'd have to say that I like your priority list. I personally haven't come out much and talked about TE, but I honestly feel we need to put this higher on the priority list. I'm not a Phillips fan at all, he's basically a back-up TE if you ask me. He's an okay player, but not one I will get excited about.

MetSox17 · 04-25-2012, 03:47 PM

Coby Fleener ahead of RG3? lololol

leroyisgod · 04-25-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

From this ^^^ webbsite

RANK PLAYER, POS, TEAM HEIGHT WEIGHT GRADE
01 Andrew Luck QB, Stanford 6-4 235 9.0 Full Scouting Report
02 Morris Claiborne CB, Louisiana State 6-0 185 8.5 J Full Scouting Report
03 David DeCastro OG, Stanford 6-5 310 8.5 Full Scouting Report
04 Trent Richardson RB, Alabama 5-11 224 8.5 Full Scouting Report
05 Michael Brockers DT, Louisiana State 6-6 306 8.0 D J Full Scouting Report
06 Matt Kalil OT, Southern California 6-7 295 8.0 B J Full Scouting Report
07 Coby Fleener TE, Stanford 6-6 244 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
08 Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor 6-2 220 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
09 Luke Kuechly ILB, Boston College 6-3 237 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
10 Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 6-6 285 7.5 C U Full Scouting Report
11 Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama 6-3 192 7.5 C J Full Scouting Report
12 Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State 6-1 215 7.5 C Full Scouting Report
13 Cordy Glenn OG, Georgia 6-5 348 7.5 Full Scouting Report
14 Melvin Ingram OLB, South Carolina 6-2 276 7.5 Full Scouting Report
15 Mark Barron SS, Alabama 6-2 218

Just saying...

What's a werbsite?

leroyisgod · 04-25-2012, 03:49 PM

Wow, Eagles traded Samuel to Atlanta for only a 7th round pick this year.

pocketaces · 04-25-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by leroyisgod

What's a werbsite?

Ummm really? Do you really want to go there? Blessed are you that never hit the wrong key

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

From this ^^^ webbsite

RANK PLAYER, POS, TEAM HEIGHT WEIGHT GRADE
01 Andrew Luck QB, Stanford 6-4 235 9.0 Full Scouting Report
02 Morris Claiborne CB, Louisiana State 6-0 185 8.5 J Full Scouting Report
03 David DeCastro OG, Stanford 6-5 310 8.5 Full Scouting Report
04 Trent Richardson RB, Alabama 5-11 224 8.5 Full Scouting Report
05 Michael Brockers DT, Louisiana State 6-6 306 8.0 D J Full Scouting Report
06 Matt Kalil OT, Southern California 6-7 295 8.0 B J Full Scouting Report
07 Coby Fleener TE, Stanford 6-6 244 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
08 Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor 6-2 220 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
09 Luke Kuechly ILB, Boston College 6-3 237 7.5 J Full Scouting Report
10 Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 6-6 285 7.5 C U Full Scouting Report
11 Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama 6-3 192 7.5 C J Full Scouting Report
12 Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State 6-1 215 7.5 C Full Scouting Report
13 Cordy Glenn OG, Georgia 6-5 348 7.5 Full Scouting Report
14 Melvin Ingram OLB, South Carolina 6-2 276 7.5 Full Scouting Report
15 Mark Barron SS, Alabama 6-2 218

Just saying...

My mistake, Bunting has himasa top 15 player, not top 10.

But your argument isnt about rankings, yours is about the player, you dont think hes elite.

Im trying to show you that just because our message board doesnt think hes elite or that he can cover, doesnt make it true.

That article I just posted goes against all the knocks you guys have on Barron -- and theyre watching coaches tape!! We have youtube cutups.. Come on

D-Unit · 04-25-2012, 03:52 PM

Here's my wild prediction: Dallas trades down and drafts LB Dont'a Hightower.

BAA-AM!

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Coby Fleener ahead of RG3? lololol

I think thats off too. NFP only spot ive seen him ranked that high. I will say Bunting has Aaron Hernandez ranked as a 1st rd guy when everyone else had him 3rd/4th rd tweener -- so he does have a history of grading the hybrids high

pocketaces · 04-25-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewyVuitton

Also, why dont you believe he's elite? Something youve seen, or just the fact youve been led to believe he's a box safety when the truth is he plays everywhere.

Watching games, Watching youtube, reading sites and listening to people you trust. Not pretending to be a scout or GM or anything else. We all form our opinions in various ways. Not saying im right or wrong just giving my opinion like everybody else on here. You think hes elite, I dont, time will tell

pocketaces · 04-25-2012, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewyVuitton

My mistake, Bunting has himasa top 15 player, not top 10.

But your argument isnt about rankings, yours is about the player, you dont think hes elite.

Im trying to show you that just because our message board doesnt think hes elite or that he can cover, doesnt make it true.

That article I just posted goes against all the knocks you guys have on Barron -- and theyre watching coaches tape!! We have youtube cutups.. Come on

You didnt say top 10 you said top 6.

Has stiffness in hips and lack of fluidity in deep coverage, projects best as a strong safety in the NFL... Coverage skills are average at best, does not have elite range in zone coverage, not fluid enough to run with a lot of slot receivers in the NFL... Change of direction ability is questionable, does not have the quickest feet, can play high at times... Will bite on play action at times when playing in the box, definitely a run-first defender, may be relegated to two-down run stopping early in career... Can be too aggressive at times, tends to take bad angles when flying around the field, will miss tackles in the open field... Lacks elite explosiveness, lack of quickness may be the biggest factor, needs to work on changing directions with more leverage and fluidity... In March, 2011, arrested on a misdemeanor charge of second-degree hindering prosecution... Was kept out of the Senior Bowl and did not participate at the combine after undergoing double hernia surgery.

Read more at Sideline Scouting: http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rank...#ixzz1t5W1Npen

What makes your site more credible than this one?

CDCB14 · 04-25-2012, 04:00 PM

If we pick Brockers I will break something. Enjoy Marcus Spears for another 8 years.

D-Unit · 04-25-2012, 04:01 PM

Can we stop the crazy talk about Barron being a Top 6 player? Don't let this board be one of "those" boards. I like our bubble. We're smarter than any site that claims Barron is a Top 6 player.

These 6 are all clearly better:

QB Andrew Luck Stanford
QB Robert Griffin III Baylor
LT Matt Kalil USC
RB Trent Richardson Alabama
CB Morris Claiborne LSU
WR Justin Blackmon Okla. St.

D-Unit · 04-25-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CDCB14

If we pick Brockers I will break something. Enjoy Marcus Spears for another 8 years.

Since when did Spears ever command a double team?

Witten4HOF · 04-25-2012, 04:05 PM

I just watched the writers round table on the Cowboys website and must say Bryan Broaddus surprised me.

He values Upshaw over Ingram and all but said he thinks Melvin is a bad fit. " Uphaw brings POA skills needed on the strongside, along with some pass rush ad some serious attitude that this team needs."

Also said if the fan favs were on the board ( Brockers, Barron, Poe, DeCastro ) he would pick Brockers and hope to develop as pass rush out of him. Thinks the team needs an upgrade at 5 tech most, but also likes DeCastro and thinks he can play G/C.

pocketaces · 04-25-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Can we stop the crazy talk about Barron being a Top 6 player? Don't let this board be one of "those" boards. I like our bubble. We're smarter than any site that claims Barron is a Top 6 player.

These 6 are all clearly better:

QB Andrew Luck Stanford
QB Robert Griffin III Baylor
LT Matt Kalil USC
RB Trent Richardson Alabama
CB Morris Claiborne LSU
WR Justin Blackmon Okla. St.

Thank you.

CDCB14 · 04-25-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Can we stop the crazy talk about Barron being a Top 6 player? Don't let this board be one of "those" boards. I like our bubble. We're smarter than any site that claims Barron is a Top 6 player.

These 6 are all clearly better:

QB Andrew Luck Stanford
QB Robert Griffin III Baylor
LT Matt Kalil USC
RB Trent Richardson Alabama
CB Morris Claiborne LSU
WR Justin Blackmon Okla. St.

Barron is easily a better football player than Blackmon. I don't get how Blackmon is thought of as a top 10 pick. His ceiling is Anquan Boldin.

D-Unit · 04-25-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CDCB14

Barron is easily a better football player than Blackmon. I don't get how Blackmon is thought of as a top 10 pick. His ceiling is Anquan Boldin.

Stop ruining our bubble. You're taking us down with that kind of crap talk.

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

Watching games, Watching youtube, reading sites and listening to people you trust. Not pretending to be a scout or GM or anything else. We all form our opinions in various ways. Not saying im right or wrong just giving my opinion like everybody else on here. You think hes elite, I dont, time will tell

I didnt mean it like that, I meant what specifically dont you like? Im assuming its the notion that's he's strictly a box safety.

If thats your belief despite the article I just put in front of you and despite the fact teams seem to have him ranked in their top 10 as a complete safety than fine, ill respect that.

I just want to communicate to you and everyone on here that there are multiple sources that strongly disagree with that assessment of him.

ALL THAT being said.. I'm like 85% Brockers will be the pick. And I'm cool with that.

DrewyVuitton · 04-25-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketaces

You didnt say top 10 you said top 6.

Has stiffness in hips and lack of fluidity in deep coverage, projects best as a strong safety in the NFL... Coverage skills are average at best, does not have elite range in zone coverage, not fluid enough to run with a lot of slot receivers in the NFL... Change of direction ability is questionable, does not have the quickest feet, can play high at times... Will bite on play action at times when playing in the box, definitely a run-first defender, may be relegated to two-down run stopping early in career... Can be too aggressive at times, tends to take bad angles when flying around the field, will miss tackles in the open field... Lacks elite explosiveness, lack of quickness may be the biggest factor, needs to work on changing directions with more leverage and fluidity... In March, 2011, arrested on a misdemeanor charge of second-degree hindering prosecution... Was kept out of the Senior Bowl and did not participate at the combine after undergoing double hernia surgery.

Read more at Sideline Scouting: http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rank...#ixzz1t5W1Npen

What makes your site more credible than this one?

I said he's top 6 on a majority of teams boards and supoorted it with quotes. Go back one page.