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Old 12-05-2011, 08:37 PM    (permalink
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I'm biased, but 38(9) tds is ******* insane. I don't care what system you're in.40 td passes is likely systematic amplification. But name another rb who came close to 38. Its too farfetched. Plus, 2nd leading rusher in FBS.

1. Ball
2. RGIII
3. Luck
4. Mathieu
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Why do people bring up Griffin's game against Oklahoma but fail to mention is game against Ok St?

Luck gets alot of grief for that Oregon loss, the only loss of the season for Stanford but he still put up better numbers than Griffin did vs Ok St. which was Baylor's second of three losses.

Also I hear alot of chat about what Griffin did at Baylor...what about what Luck did at Stanford? Stanford is not some powerhouse loaded with talent, the whole reason they have been as good as they are is Andrew Luck.

I just see alot of people buying into the Griffin hype, if he wins the Heisman it will be somewhat of a joke. I doubt Luck will win it unfortunately so I am hoping one of the RBs take it over Griffin.
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I gotta give it to Ball here, most deserving but since it's really become the best college QB of the year award it would be RGIII (close second anyway)

My rankings:

1. Ball
2. RGIII
3. Richardson
4. Mathieu
5. Luck

However all this doesn't matter, we know what BS is about to go down:

1. Luck
2. Richardson
3. Robert Griffin III
4. Ball
5. Mathieu

(again these aren't my rankings, this is just how I know it will turn out because this award is a joke)
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However all this doesn't matter, we know what BS is about to go down:

1. Luck
2. Richardson
3. Robert Griffin III
4. Ball
5. Mathieu

(again these aren't my rankings, this is just how I know it will turn out because this award is a joke)
RGIII is squarely in the lead with about 1/5th of the votes made public. Looks like it will be:

1. RGIII
2. Luck
3. Richardson
4. Ball
5. Mathieu

Ball/Mathieu pretty close though.
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Well I guess I was sort of right, it's still going to be the best QB in college award. It's a shame that Ball won't win it and that he is behind Richardson. Luck being #2 is the kind of BS I am talking about
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Well I guess I was sort of right, it's still going to be the best QB in college award. It's a shame that Ball won't win it and that he is behind Richardson. Luck being #2 is the kind of BS I am talking about
Mark Ingram won it two years ago, don't think it has automatically become best QB in college. If Wisconsin was undefeated and crushing people and Ball was getting more carries, I imagine Ball would win it, but with more stats than just TDs, he won't win it.
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Also seems Collin Klein and Luke Kuechly both have received a 3rd place vote!
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Mark Ingram won it two years ago, don't think it has automatically become best QB in college. If Wisconsin was undefeated and crushing people and Ball was getting more carries, I imagine Ball would win it, but with more stats than just TDs, he won't win it.
Yea but of the last 10, 8 have been QB's as opposed to the previous decade where 4/10 were QB's
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Both well deserved...actually surprised Klein did not get more national recognition.
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RG3 is the "proven winner"

If Luck wins this thing I will not watch college football none next season!
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RG3 won. It's over.
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Yup, www.stiffarmtrophy.com who has been 9 for 9 on predicting the award, officially says that Robert Griffin will win the Heisman after 22% of the ballots have been made public.
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Stanford's offense is run heavy and complimented by the pass. If Luck threw the ball 35+ times a game, he'd probably have almost 4500 yards and over 40 TDs.
It's weird but he's not really featured in Stanford's offense.

Montee Hall has multiple highlights were he's literally not even touched before getting to the endzone. When your Oline looks like they deserve the Heisman more than you do, your chances of winning as a RB aren't great IMO.
I've never seen a Montee Ball highlight where it looks like he's doing something amazing at the RB position. Compare that to Trent Richardson.
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Stanford's offense is run heavy and complimented by the pass. If Luck threw the ball 35+ times a game, he'd probably have almost 4500 yards and over 40 TDs.
It's weird but he's not really featured in Stanford's offense.
Seriously, you put Luck in a pass first offense and he easily puts up 45+ TDs and a ton of yards. The offense isn't geared to take a ton of deep shots or to really even attack through the air that much. If the run play is there, Luck will check to the run and attack them on the ground. Just because he isn't throwing the ball every play doesn't mean he isn't having a major effect on every play.

Luck does more for his team than any other player in college football. The guy gets 3 plays in the huddle and pick the one he thinks is best at the line. The OC can bring up to 350 plays into each game because Luck is actually able to.
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I agree with Pat Forde's rankings here:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...d_stats_120811

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2. Tyrann Mathieu
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I'd agree with Griffin or Luck winning it. And if you subscribe to the school of thought that the best player on the best team should be in the conversation, then Mathieu works too.

But, if I had to bet, I'd say it goes to Richardson. Sigh. SEC bias and all.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...d_stats_120811



I'd agree with Griffin or Luck winning it. And if you subscribe to the school of thought that the best player on the best team should be in the conversation, then Mathieu works too.

But, if I had to bet, I'd say it goes to Richardson. Sigh. SEC bias and all.

It's over my man, it is Griffin.
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I wonder if Honeybadger would win if he gave a ****?
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Stanford's offense is run heavy and complimented by the pass. If Luck threw the ball 35+ times a game, he'd probably have almost 4500 yards and over 40 TDs.
It's weird but he's not really featured in Stanford's offense.
Luck has more pass attempts than RG3. Only by a few attempts, but I didn't expect that to be the case.
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It went to the right guy. Go RG3!
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Glad they gave it to him. He was the best player in the country this year, woulda been a shame to give it to anyone else.
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Ball only gets 348 points? Bunch of idiots.
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Ball only gets 348 points? Bunch of idiots.
Idk whats worse...that, or Barkley not even getting an invite.
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It's pathetic Luck was even that close.
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