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Old 01-29-2012, 01:16 PM    (permalink
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If someone's going to say, "Osweiler's got so many tools and look how successful Newton was with just one year's starting experience!" it worthy to note that Cam was better in every single ******* aspect.
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I don't understand, at all, why people are comparing Osweiler to Newton. If there's a QB from last year to compare Osweiler to, it's Mallett what with awkward too-tall frame, the bad footwork, and the corresponding accuracy issues with non-primary reads and under pressure.

The key difference is that Osweiler lacks experience, while Mallett had big time character reds.
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Mobility, size, and scheme. Newton isn't a good name to bring up because of the difference between the two running, but I wouldn't say Mallet is a good name either. Brock's ability to escape pressure and run a little bit makes him a drastically different player.
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I don't understand, at all, why people are comparing Osweiler to Newton. If there's a QB from last year to compare Osweiler to, it's Mallett what with awkward too-tall frame, the bad footwork, and the corresponding accuracy issues with non-primary reads and under pressure.

The key difference is that Osweiler lacks experience, while Mallett had big time character reds.
Not sure anyone intended to compare him to Newton just their situations. (one full year starting)
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to be 6ft 8inches tall,he really gets around good! he's a beast! i wish he'd fall into the skins laps draft day.he may not play this season,but he's worth waiting on,IMHO.
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Osweiler's 40 time is probably going to be directly in between Newton's and Mallett's. He shouldn't be compared to either of them
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Osweiler's 40 time is probably going to be directly in between Newton's and Mallett's. He shouldn't be compared to either of them
I honestly can't think of anything that takes place at the combine I care less about than "quarterback 40 times." He could run a 4.2 and that wouldn't elevate him as a QB prospect in my eyes.
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I honestly can't think of anything that takes place at the combine I care less about than "quarterback 40 times." He could run a 4.2 and that wouldn't elevate him as a QB prospect in my eyes.
Agree. Not like those two guys in the game next week are speed burners. I do like to pay attention to shuttle times though.
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If a 6'8 guy ran a 4.2 it would move him up my board pretty quickly.

...as a WR.
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If a 6'8 guy ran a 4.2 it would move him up my board pretty quickly.

...as a WR.
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He cetainly won't have a hard time seeing over the linemen ,will he?
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If a 6'8 guy ran a 4.2 it would move him up my board pretty quickly.

...as a WR.
QBs often refuse to do WR drills, and I wouldn't draft this hypothetical 6'8" 4.2 guy until he shows me he can catch the ball.
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QBs often refuse to do WR drills, and I wouldn't draft this hypothetical 6'8" 4.2 guy until he shows me he can catch the ball.
You can improve a guy's concentration on catching the ball and you can improve his route running. You can't teach 6'8 4.2.
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I don't understand, at all, why people are comparing Osweiler to Newton. If there's a QB from last year to compare Osweiler to, it's Mallett what with awkward too-tall frame, the bad footwork, and the corresponding accuracy issues with non-primary reads and under pressure.

The key difference is that Osweiler lacks experience, while Mallett had big time character reds.
Osweiler is far closer to Newton than Mallett, not skill wise but just the way they play
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QBs often refuse to do WR drills, and I wouldn't draft this hypothetical 6'8" 4.2 guy until he shows me he can catch the ball.
If said 6'8 player was a former high level basketball player I'd draft him regardless.
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Well that's like saying that I'm closer to Shaq than the guy who played Mini-Me. Newton and Mallett's styles of play are THAT drastically different. Newton is a smooth natural athlete while Mallett has bricks for feet.
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Well that's like saying that I'm closer to Shaq than the guy who played Mini-Me. Newton and Mallett's styles of play are THAT drastically different. Newton is a smooth natural athlete while Mallett has bricks for feet.
Even then, that may be giving him 2 much credit lol. I think Mallett is, well let me say, can, be a very good NFL starting QB. Top 10 eventually. He just has to take this time seriously behind Brady, and I still think he's always going to run into issues if his line breaks down. Even a guy like Rivers who is just as clumsy, seems to have a much better feel for the pocket.


Luckily those are things you can learn with time if your not rushed, and the Pats seem to be well on their way to an elite offensive line.
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Kiper's #3 QB and McShay's #4 now. But McShay also had him as his most overlooked guy and had Tannehill, his #3 for the moment, as his most risky guy.

I agree. I think RT has more upside but I'd put Brock over him because of that risk factor. Basically I just don't see RT leading his squad down the field for the game winning score very often even though I do like him. Poor man's Joe Flacco imo, which if you watched the Ravens playoff game isn't half bad to be. But I like Osweiler's pocket presence better. Especially his ability to get it there while under duress/getting hit. Delivery reminds of Phillip Rivers but I still see a giant Mark Sanchez-as a prospect coming out-before Rex sat on him.

Looking forward to seeing Luck, Griffin and Osweiler throw at the combine. Osweiler likely the consensus #3 guy afterward. But it's too bad Tannehill can't show that he's easily got the strongest arm of the group.
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You can improve a guy's concentration on catching the ball and you can improve his route running. You can't teach 6'8 4.2.
Matt Jones was 6'6 and 4.3...That's pretty close...
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How I feel about Kiper and McShay right about now.

HOW THE **** IS OSWEILER OVERLOOKED AND/OR RISKIER THAN TANNEHILL.
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I pity the team that drafts Osweiler.
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It's not about who drafts him, but where. There's nothing wrong with taking a guy like Osweiler in the second if you really believe he can be a franchise QB one day. It's more about the fact that it's looking more and more like he has a legit shot at the first round that's disturbing.
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I pity the team that drafts Osweiler.
He's going to be a "flame out of the league before his rookie contract is up" type of guy like I expect Gabbert to be.

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The Gabbert = Osweiler thing is getting tired.

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It's not about who drafts him, but where. There's nothing wrong with taking a guy like Osweiler in the second if you really believe he can be a franchise QB one day. It's more about the fact that it's looking more and more like he has a legit shot at the first round that's disturbing.
But if you believe that, then why not in the first?
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The Gabbert = Osweiler thing is getting tired.


But if you believe that, then why not in the first?
Honestly? Risk assessment. Why draft someone who can bust in the first when you can draft a much safer player and a developmental guy later?

The problem with this line of thinking, of course, is that not everyone adheres to it. That's why Osweiler might not be there for the team thinking like this in the second, because some dumbass went ahead and pulled the trigger 40 picks too early.
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