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Old 02-13-2012, 07:27 PM    (permalink
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The Gabbert = Osweiler thing is getting tired.


But if you believe that, then why not in the first?
It makes sense in that they're both big, fleet-footed guys with big arms, terrible ball-placement, bad mechanics, one-read offense that picked up passing yards on flat routes.

And they declared a year earlier than they should have, signed with CAA (who always gets QBs hyped up into first round discussions when they have no business there).

Osweiler's pocket presence is slightly better and he's not constantly taking off to the sideline. It's as much of a situational comparison than a pure playing style comparison.
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He'll be in the top 15 by draft day. Book it. (And no, not deservingly so.)
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It makes sense in that they're both big, fleet-footed guys with big arms, terrible ball-placement, bad mechanics, one-read offense that picked up passing yards on flat routes.

And they declared a year earlier than they should have, signed with CAA (who always gets QBs hyped up into first round discussions when they have no business there).

Osweiler's pocket presence is slightly better and he's not constantly taking off to the sideline. It's as much of a situational comparison than a pure playing style comparison.
If Gabbert had gone to the Bengals there wouldn't be any "flame out" talk. He wasn't ready on a team like the Jaguars last season. end story.

Experience and college offense. The only things comparable. Fleet-footed with a big arm, bad mechanics, accuracy, "slightly" better pocket presence are all pretty far off.
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Honestly? Risk assessment. Why draft someone who can bust in the first when you can draft a much safer player and a developmental guy later?

The problem with this line of thinking, of course, is that not everyone adheres to it. That's why Osweiler might not be there for the team thinking like this in the second, because some dumbass went ahead and pulled the trigger 40 picks too early.
Dumbass or genius. Not particularly for Osweiler, but for anyone.
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If Gabbert had gone to the Bengals there wouldn't be any "flame out" talk. He wasn't ready on a team like the Jaguars last season. end story.

Experience and college offense. The only things comparable. Fleet-footed with a big arm, bad mechanics, accuracy, "slightly" better pocket presence are all pretty far off.

Dumbass or genius.
I'd go 80% former, 20% latter. If you want to gamble on those odds in the first, take your shot. I'll draft the elite prospect you let slip in order to reach a round on a QB, and then take a developmental guy later who has an equal shot to pan out. There are a ton of them in this draft. They might not have the overwhelming physical tools of Osweiler, but I'd be willing to bet Kirk Cousins has just as good of a shot at succeeding in the NFL as Osweiler, and I can get him 3 rounds later. And give him Kendall Wright or Malcolm Floyd to throw to.
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If Gabbert had gone to the Bengals there wouldn't be any "flame out" talk. He wasn't ready on a team like the Jaguars last season. end story.
This made me imagine all the Gabbert face pictures we'd have as the Steelers and Ravens brought pressure on him.
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This made me imagine all the Gabbert face pictures we'd have as the Steelers and Ravens brought pressure on him.
No no, you've got it all wrong. They wouldn't have to bring pressure. Gunshy Gabbert will run from the passrush whether it's imaginary or otherwise, so just send 3 and enjoy the free interceptions.
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The best was when Osweiler went animal and waived off Coach Ericsson in this year's bowl game to go for it on 4th down... and then he failed to convert it on an overthown ball to his receiver. I LOL'd. ^_^
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To be fair no one on that team has ever listened to a word Erickson said

But if Gabbert can go in the 1st Osweiler certainly can, at least he knows what pressure is and when to actually run instead of taking off after completing his 2 step shotgun drop
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Say hello to the next Derek Anderson! Osweiler may be able to run fast in a straight line for a guy his size, but he has the coordination of Mel Gibson after a night or three on the town.
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Good accuracy overall, including excellent accuracy on short timing routes to backs and receivers, placing the ball slightly in front to lead receivers to potential yardage gained after the catch. Flashes good anticipation and is willing to release passes before the receiver has made his break. Good zip and ball placement on the quick slant.

Efficient set up and a quick release. Typically releases passes with a 3/4 delivery that almost shot-puts the ball and doesn't take advantage of his natural height advantage. Too often stares down his primary target. Demonstrated improved ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes in 2011 though he remains under-developed in this area and does telegraph his throws.

Courageous in the pocket. Willing to take the hit to complete the pass. Has been known as a hard worker throughout his career. Graduated high school early to join the team for spring practices in May of 2009. Earned the team's Hard Hat Award for his work in the off-season conditioning program in 2010 - Rang
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For a tall quarterback, Osweiler is fairly coordinated and stands well in the pocket, only scrambling at appropriate times. All of his problems begin with an unreliable release.

Osweiler is 6'7", but his inconsistent release point is equal to a 6'3" passer. Osweiler lacks a consistent motion, even side-arming some throws, which leads to unpredictable accuracy. He rarely leads his receivers in full stride. Just because Osweiler is a big quarterback does not mean he has a big arm; in fact, his velocity is adequate at best.

Above all, Osweiler's accuracy and ball placement are some of the worst in this class. The one-year starter should have returned for more seasoning. Osweiler is not worth more than a third-day pick, despite some talk of him cracking the late first. Erratic is an understatement. - J.Norris
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I think he's a better athlete than you give him credit for. He was going to go to Gonzaga to play hoops and they don't recruit stiffs there.
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I think he's a better athlete than you give him credit for. He was going to go to Gonzaga to play hoops and they don't recruit stiffs there.
I understand that, but watching him play, I would never have predicted he got a basketball scholarship. He doesn't exactly have the sidestep and athleticism. It may be more pocket presence based than athletic ability, but it doesn't translate. Let's just say he doesn't look like Ben Roethlisberger did in college.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if he moves up draft boards pretty rapidly when he gets the chance to showcase his big arm.
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I understand that, but watching him play, I would never have predicted he got a basketball scholarship. He doesn't exactly have the sidestep and athleticism. It may be more pocket presence based than athletic ability, but it doesn't translate. Let's just say he doesn't look like Ben Roethlisberger did in college.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if he moves up draft boards pretty rapidly when he gets the chance to showcase his big arm.
Jboobie, question for you: Osweiler or Tannehill?

I'm a big Tannehill fan, so naturally I'd say him, but I've the sneaking suspicion both of these guys go much higher then people are predicting and I'm curious to hear which you prefer.
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I understand that, but watching him play, I would never have predicted he got a basketball scholarship. He doesn't exactly have the sidestep and athleticism. It may be more pocket presence based than athletic ability, but it doesn't translate. Let's just say he doesn't look like Ben Roethlisberger did in college.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if he moves up draft boards pretty rapidly when he gets the chance to showcase his big arm.

I'm keeping with him going to the Jets in a trade up with their 2nd round pick as my surprise prediction. Just really like the fit all around.



I think he has a chance to be a Joe Flacco type, not a lot more, but I see the talent to be a starter.
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Honestly? Risk assessment. Why draft someone who can bust in the first when you can draft a much safer player and a developmental guy later?
That's easy. Because those "safer" players don't have the upside that Osweiler does, nor can they make the same throws that he can. That's why they are safer picks going a few rounds later. And while everyone will have a good time chuckling thinking about him reaching that potential, I seem to remember a majority feeling pretty confident in JPP busting last year as well. In fact it was a pretty strong crowd.


But we saw the upside of that all season, and that's why high upside guys go much sooner then the solid, safe picks who at their best are just solid. Guys that seperate themselves a few rounds have the difference maker upside to them.
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Jboobie, question for you: Osweiler or Tannehill?

I'm a big Tannehill fan, so naturally I'd say him, but I've the sneaking suspicion both of these guys go much higher then people are predicting and I'm curious to hear which you prefer.
It's not a question for me, Tannehill by leaps and bounds.
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It's not a question for me, Tannehill by leaps and bounds.
Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I just don't see it with Osweiler. He makes some absolutely god awful throws at times.
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Not like Tannehill doesnt do the exact same, gotta have a better reason than that
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Not like Tannehill doesnt do the exact same, gotta have a better reason than that
Tannehill is better in, quite literally, every facet of playing the position.
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Regardless, both are going to be grossly overdrafted.
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Regardless, both are going to be grossly overdrafted.
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I'd still take Weeden over both
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Regardless, both are going to be grossly overdrafted.
Meh, Tannehill would solidly be a top-15 guy for me in almost any year, but I like him much more than most do. He's solidly the #2 behind Luck for me.

I like Weeden, but he's got a lot to iron out mechanically. He's got a pitcher's feet and release. Leaves him off-balance on a lot of his throws, leading to some really, really poor ball placement.

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