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Old 03-29-2012, 09:33 AM    (permalink
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On another site here's how a five round mock turned out for the Packers...

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State
Tony Bergstrom, OL, Utah
Brandon Taylor, S, LSU
BJ Coleman, QB, UT-Chattanooga

Certainly wouldn't be the worst outcome for us
I would be very happy with that. I like Gilmore, but I am thinking he might surpass Dre Kirkpatrick as the #2 corner taken.
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I would be very happy with that. I like Gilmore, but I am thinking he might surpass Dre Kirkpatrick as the #2 corner taken.
For me, I am not a fan of Gilmore bc his performance over the last two seasons was underwhelming for someone as highly touted as he was coming off of a wonderful frosh season...with that being said his stock has taken off and I don't see him falling below 20 when draft day rolls around and even if he does fall to our pick I don't think the front office and coaching staff have cornerback as a position that needs to be addressed early on
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Mel Kiper just mentioned Derek Wolfe on his twitter account....said he was very underrated as a prospect and an ideal 3-4DE.....come on TT draft the guy.
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Now we have some extra picks to work with (cant trade them but opens up some of our other owns) to make a trade to move up. Truth is he need and impact an impact player or two on our defense. Cox has placed himself too high now but if there is a guy who TT feels can be an impact now, i' like to see him aggressive like he was in 2009
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Can we please, please draft Vinny Curry? Guy is criminally underrated.

Had a bad 40 at the combine and has dropped down boards.. despite the fact that it was an aberration. The guy is quick, has very good strength, plays with discipline and technique, has one of, if not the best, closing bursts in the draft, and is a fantastic character guy and a leader. Oh, and has been extremely productive despite constant double teams.. including a sub 3 second sack during the senior bowl while being double teamed by two highly touted OLine prospects.

His pro day numbers are really impressive..
4.69 40 (clocked faster by some scouts)
1.58 10 yard split (that's a great number for a 3-4 OLB and the same Clay did at his pro day)
28 bench reps, despite only now starting to bench after an injury (already more than Clay)
35 inch vert (same as clay)

He did all those numbers at the same height as Clay but weighing 26 more pounds.

People are sleeping on this guy and I don't get it. He ran badly at the combine, I know, but it's not like Marshall is known for it's hugely time skewing track and he admitted he was nervous and ran poorly at the combine. Plus his tape shows a guy much more like his pro day.

The guy's tape is great and he lacks the concerns of many of the other 3-4 OLB prospects. What am I missing on him? He's got technique, motor, athleticism, leadership, strength, burst.

I know he didn't play against the same level of competition as some of these other guys but he was extraordinarily productive against a ranked Southern Miss team last year and a HIGHLY ranked Ohio State the year before as well as West Virginia. And he showed up at the senior bowl big time.

Anyone else have Curry ranked as the 2nd best 3-4 OLB and really hope we get him?
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Patriot fan here. I'd like to see either Shea McClellin or Vinny Curry in a Pat's uniform. Looks to me like GB is after the same positions (OLB, DE) that we are; we have two picks before you (27 and 48) and I'd be ecstatic with either at either one of those spots. I really hope the Pats don't do a Clay Matthews redux and pass on a potential impact OLB only to see GB pick him up.
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Anyone else have Curry ranked as the 2nd best 3-4 OLB and really hope we get him?
If we can get Curry or McClellin at the bottom of round onw I would be absolutely thrilled...I am a bigger fan of those two than seeing Nick Perry or Whitney Mercilus in green & gold
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If we can get Curry or McClellin at the bottom of round onw I would be absolutely thrilled...I am a bigger fan of those two than seeing Nick Perry or Whitney Mercilus in green & gold
Agreed. I like Perry on tape... except he's purely a speed rusher with no run stopping or coverage ability. Limited upside in those areas.

Mercilus looks like a product of the system to me. Lots of coverage sacks and minimal speed/awareness.

I do like Branch, though.

Ingram > Curry/Branch > McClellan imo
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In my eyes, if we are taking an OLB first, we should trade into the high second round pick area and gain some more picks. Then, we should trade a good amount of picks and get back into the 2nd round. I feel like 3 2nd rounders in this draft would be a phenomenal value draft. You could draft a DE, an OLB, and whatever else you want in the 2nd round, and have the makings of a very successful draft.


In my eyes, there is not much of a difference between "1st rounders" Mercilus/Branch/Perry and "2nd Rounders" Curry/McClellin/Irvin/Chandler Jones. Same for DE's: "1st Rounders" Worthy/Still "2nd Rounders" Reyes/Thompson/Martin/Winn/Crick


One final thought: what do you guys think about Zietler from UW? Is he a first rounder? Do you think TT would draft him? He is a guy that I am unsure about at this point.
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One final thought: what do you guys think about Zietler from UW? Is he a first rounder? Do you think TT would draft him? He is a guy that I am unsure about at this point.
I think Zeitler will end up being a first round pick given the need for interior line help for teams picking in the bottom half of the first. If the Packers see him as someone that they could convert and develop into our long term center then it's a possibility we take him.
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I think Zeitler will end up being a first round pick given the need for interior line help for teams picking in the bottom half of the first. If the Packers see him as someone that they could convert and develop into our long term center then it's a possibility we take him.
That what I keep thinking about. I have read a couple of things, one from Tom Silverstein from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and I think he mentioned that due to the lack of Center talent in this draft, they might have to draft a guy that is a guard and convert that player to be a center. Zeitler seems like he would be that guy.

Also, I have watched highlight videos of he and Konz, and I view Zeitler as the better of the two. It just seems like when Zeitler hits somebody, they really move. Either way, I would be fine with drafting either of them.

Could be interesting if he and Konz are available at 28. Would TT go OL with the 1st pick three years in a row?
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Mel Kiper has Nick Perry in Round 1 and Jared Crick in Round 2 for us.


I would be pretty happy with that. I think the consensus everywhere is we need to draft an OLB and a DE early in the draft. If the Packers do that, our defense should be in really good shape.

I think if we could just get a little more disruptive with our pass rush, we would be back to a top 10 defense.

I also really really appreciate that both MM and Capers realize that they need to use more 3-3-5 defenses instead of the 2-4-5. I absolutely could not stand it last year when we would have 2 down lineman and CM3 rush the passer. CM3 would be chipped by a TE, then blocked by the OT and RB, and our DL would generate no push, thus giving the QB as much time as he wanted in the pocket.
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I agree. Though I think some of that 2 down linemen thing was a case of not having faith in some of the linemen we had to get the job done, rather than a philosophical change.
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Per Mel Kiper's twitter Account: "I have DE/OLB Chandler Jones (SD), Boise St. OLB Shea McClellin (NE), and Cincy DL Derek Wolfe (NE) all going in the first round."

So let me ask you guys, if NE takes McClellin with the pick before the Packers, and Nick Perry and Derek Wolfe are still on the board, who do you go with?"
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Per Mel Kiper's twitter Account: "I have DE/OLB Chandler Jones (SD), Boise St. OLB Shea McClellin (NE), and Cincy DL Derek Wolfe (NE) all going in the first round."

So let me ask you guys, if NE takes McClellin with the pick before the Packers, and Nick Perry and Derek Wolfe are still on the board, who do you go with?"
I'd go with Wolfe
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I haven't watched any Wolfe yet, but I think Perry is worth the 28th pick.
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Per Mel Kiper's twitter Account: "I have DE/OLB Chandler Jones (SD), Boise St. OLB Shea McClellin (NE), and Cincy DL Derek Wolfe (NE) all going in the first round."

So let me ask you guys, if NE takes McClellin with the pick before the Packers, and Nick Perry and Derek Wolfe are still on the board, who do you go with?"
Derek Wolfe? I.. thought almost everyone had a 3rd to 4th round grade on him? I like him but it'd be an absurd pick in the 1st round. Late in the 2nd.. okay, sure. His burst is pretty nonexistent and athleticism is average at best.

Nick Perry is a legit top 15 talent. His biggest issue is technique and agility. He's got brute strength and speed. He has awful hips and looks amazing in straight lines and terrible when moving laterally. That said, his upside is huge.

Perry by a mile. Someone might take Wolfe much early than most expect, but we'd be wise to wait and pick him up later if he's still there.
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Derek Wolfe? I.. thought almost everyone had a 3rd to 4th round grade on him? I like him but it'd be an absurd pick in the 1st round. Late in the 2nd.. okay, sure. His burst is pretty nonexistent and athleticism is average at best.

Nick Perry is a legit top 15 talent. His biggest issue is technique and agility. He's got brute strength and speed. He has awful hips and looks amazing in straight lines and terrible when moving laterally. That said, his upside is huge.

Perry by a mile. Someone might take Wolfe much early than most expect, but we'd be wise to wait and pick him up later if he's still there.
Right. He's able to both get around the edge and effectively bullrush, but he needs to be coached up on how to adjust during the play, come back in side, use his hands better. Could develop into a very good pass rusher.

I guy that I'd be really happy with at 28 is Jerel Worthy. I came away much more impressed with him than Devon Still.
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Right. He's able to both get around the edge and effectively bullrush, but he needs to be coached up on how to adjust during the play, come back in side, use his hands better. Could develop into a very good pass rusher.

I guy that I'd be really happy with at 28 is Jerel Worthy. I came away much more impressed with him than Devon Still.
Jerel Worthy is a bit underrated for sure. He's a guy I've got a top 20 grade on. His strength is negating blocks and even double teams and absolutely wreaking havoc. He has rare burst for the position and if he wins that first move, he'll get to the QB.

His weakness is a rather odd one for his size and strength combination. It seems like when a lineman gets a block on him.. he's done. He'll maintain the gap but that's it. For someone with his talent you'd really like to see him get off blocks at the college level. I do wonder what that would mean in a system like GB where you expect him to often occupy 2 blockers.

If someone can coach him in better hands use and fighting off blockers, he has huge potential as a 3-4 end. I like him and would love if the Packer's drafted him (although I really think Hargrove is going to be legit starter quality for us.)
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Are there a couple names that people would be upset to see as our first round selection???

Whitney Mercilus and Devon Still would top the list for me
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Are there a couple names that people would be upset to see as our first round selection???

Whitney Mercilus and Devon Still would top the list for me
I would definitely be disappointed with Still. Andre Branch probably tops my list though. I want nothing to do with him in the first round.
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I would definitely be disappointed with Still. Andre Branch probably tops my list though. I want nothing to do with him in the first round.
Branch has shown he can work in space and has potential standing up in a 3-4 but I agree I don't want to see him in the first round either
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Branch has shown he can work in space and has potential standing up in a 3-4 but I agree I don't want to see him in the first round either
I really got the impression that he was a one-trick-passrusher who doesn't offer much other than racing around the edge. Clearly there's upside there, but it doesn't warrant a first round pick in my mind.
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I really got the impression that he was a one-trick-passrusher who doesn't offer much other than racing around the edge. Clearly there's upside there, but it doesn't warrant a first round pick in my mind.
I definitely agree that he's not a first round caliber player...he's someone I could see as a liability in run support, just doesn't seem to be a physical player

his teammate and fellow lineman, Rennie Moore, is someone that I would love the Packers to take a chance on late in the draft...project him as a 5-technique
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