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Old 04-28-2012, 09:03 PM    (permalink
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"10-feet-10 in the broad jump, and a 6.32 in the 3-cone drill"

If that 3-cone is accurate that is insane. The fastest at the combine was 6.50 by Rainey.
NFLDraftScout says 6.35 for the 3-cone. Ourlads listed it at 6.38. Thats almost beyond belief.

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Can't remember feeling this good about a draft class. Great combination of addressing needs and getting value. The three trade ups at limited cost are a sign that TT got the guys he was looking for.
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I love Coleman to the Packers. I really think McCarthy will develop him. He has a better physical skill set than Flynn did.
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Would Charles Woodson really willingly move to strong safety at this point in his career? I don't see it. It's a far less glamorous position, and far more demanding physically.
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Would Charles Woodson really willingly move to strong safety at this point in his career? I don't see it. It's a far less glamorous position, and far more demanding physically.
I think he's stated that he'd be willing to make the switch. I'd rather not see it happen, though.
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Would Charles Woodson really willingly move to strong safety at this point in his career? I don't see it. It's a far less glamorous position, and far more demanding physically.
Charles Woodson has evolved beyond the position designation. He blitzes, he plays man on the corner, zone in the flat, covers the middle, takes top TEs. With the expected pressure on the QB back, Woodson is a CB/S/LB depending on the call. If the rookie or Sam Shields look solid on the edges, expect Woodson to play the middle of the field more so he can be around the ball more.
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^^

A bit of this.

Charles Woodson has invented his own position and the best name for it would be 'everywhere'. Saying Woodson would be playing SS would be just on paper, but if you watched a game he'd be playing the same as last year. Basically its just terminology, so we can put Burnett, Woodson, Willians, Shields and Hayward into the base defense.
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2012 Draft Review

1. Nick Perry, DE, USC

Love this pick. Perry is a high potential pass rusher, because of his speed and explosiveness. The outside linebacker spot was a HUGE need for us, so bringing in Perry was the most sensible pick. At 270, he will have to lose some weight, which could help him loosen his hips a bit (his only real concern) and become better suited a linebacker role.

Grade - A

2. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan

Seeing TT trade up for a player is very rare, so him trading up for Jerel Worthy is a great sign. A great value pick (seen by many as a first round pick) and fills a big need created when Cullen Jenkins left last offseason. Worthy has an explosive first step and was one of the most instinctive defensive lineman in the draft. Its obvious that high on the priority list for Capers. is speed.

Grade - A+

2. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt

TT has officially gone mad. With the first 3 picks in the draft we have improved each level of defense and have done so with great players and great value. Hayward a corner perfectly suited for a zone scheme, should fit right in here. He has the ball skills to challenge Woodson, so he should be a playmaker for this defense. Also a good tackler which was a definite issue last year. What makes this pick even better is that it only cost us a 5th round pick to move up 30 spots.

Grade - A+

4. Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa

What Dom Capers is looking for is even more evident now. Daniels a quick, agile defensive lineman should be a good rotational defensive tackle, who should specialise in pass rushing situations. He was also very productive last season, amassing 9.5 sacks. After grabbing Worthy earlier in the draft, defensive tackle was arguably still a position of need. Daniels will probably never be a starter, but will be a very useful player for our defense.

Grade - B+

4. Jerron McMillian, S, Maine

I confess to not knowing much about this guy, but after hearing Mel Kiper's, TT's and Dom Caper's opinion on him, im starting to warm to the pick. A underrated safety, who excels in tackling and being a disruptive force in a defense. After the loss of Nick Collins, safety was a huge need, making McMillian exactly what we need.

Grade - C+

5. Terrell Manning, ILB, North Carolina State

Another trade up by Ted Thompson and at first many (including me) were questioning the pick. After watching 3 of his games, i completely understand the move. Firstly, Manning was great value here in the 5th round and secondly, he does pretty much everything. He pass rushes with speed and agility, he tackles like a linebacker should and he has great covering skills. He will bring a lot to this defense and is a possible starter once AJ Hawk gets the **** out of Green Bay.

Grade - B+

7. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State

Datko has issues with his shoulder, but in the 7th round the risk is very minimal. An established offensive tackle, who would be 4th on the depth chart, but if he stays healthy and gets coached like Bulaga and Newhouse did he could be more.

Grade - B

7. BJ Coleman, QB, Chattanooga

It was important for us to pick a QB in this draft and we did with the last pick of the day. Coleman is a very intelligent quarterback, who understands the game very well. He played behind a terrible offensive line and had poor receivers, so his potential has yet to be reached. If we could "Matt Flynn" him and trade him for future picks, this will be a great pick.

Grade - B+
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1. Nick Perry, DE, USC

Grade - A

2. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan

Grade - A+

4. Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa

Grade - B+

4. Jerron McMillian, S, Maine


Grade - C+

5. Terrell Manning, ILB, North Carolina State

Grade - B+

7. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State

Grade - B

7. BJ Coleman, QB, Chattanooga

Grade - B+
Great rundown and I agree with all of them, except I'd give us an A on the Datko pick. If his shoulder was fine he would have been a first or second at the very worst. For a seventh round pick, basically a flier, I'll take a guy with franchise left tackle potential.

I'm still so shocked by this draft. Especially Worthy in the second. I sent about 12 texts to my brother pleading for us to trade up for him and when we did I couldn't believe it.

When you watch tape of Jerel Worthy you are amazed he didn't go top 15. Has a fantastic blend of quickness, size, strength and technique. He's not purely an athlete, he has a fantastic swim and rip move and amazing anticipation. If you could design a DT/DE for our Nickel/3-4 Hybrid scheme it would be Jerel Worthy.

The only thing that worries me about Nick Perry is how he'll transition to a 3 down OLB. He's going to be a beastly pass rushing force out there and it'll be interesting to see how he adapts to the run. I doubt he'll see many if ANY coverage assignments this season besides covering backs (which, despite all the claims he's never done it, he HAS done and done pretty well in college.) But hey, there's really no better place for him to transition then in Green Bay. Kevin Greene and Clay Matthews are basically the perfect pair for him to learn from.

I'd expect he'll find a happy medium to play at. He was at around 255 in college and bulked up for the workouts to show he could play end. Probably more comfortable back in the high 250s low 260s and that's where I expect he'll be.

Also, worth mentioning again.. he had a 1.57 10 yard split at 271 pounds. Clay was 1.49 (and that was one of the big reasons he went in the first) at 240. That's .08 seconds slower at 31 pounds heavier. He also had sick bench numbers and led the group in Vert and Broad jump. Oh and he led the Pac-12 in sacks last season and USC in sacks twice in three years, that's all for production. How Nick Perry lasted until 28, I still don't understand.

I'm also high on Casey Hayward and really all of our picks. The safety from Maine, Jerron McMillian, is my biggest question mark but I think we all fully trust TT when it comes to small school prospects.

*edit* Also, I highly recommend anyone who hasn't to go and look up some video of interviews with Nick Perry and Jerel Worthy. Shines a lot of added light into why we drafted them; both are well spoken, team-centric players that obviously have a drive to be great. I know it gets overblown at times but these guys are both the kind of people TT likes to put in the locker room.
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Here's a lost from another site of all the UDFA's we signed. All 16 of them.

Dale Moss, WR, South Dakota St
Darius Reynolds, WR, Iowa State
Sean Richardson, SAF, Vanderbilt
Marcus Rivers, WR, Buffalo
Nic Cooper, RB, Winston-Salem
Eric Lair, TE, Minnesota
Randy Colling, NT, Gannon
Dezman Moses, DE, Tulane
Dion Turner, DB, Southern Utah
Marc Tyler, RB, USC
Tommie Draheim, OL, SD State
Duane Bennett, RB, Minn
Cameron Ford, TE, Wake Forest
Don Barclay, OL, West Virginia
Drew Vanderlin, TE, Michigan Tech
David Nadeau, K, Minn-Duluth (TRYOUT)

The two receivers we picked up both look like they should be on an NFL roster. Am i the only one thinking Donald Driver should definitely not be back next season.
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The two receivers we picked up both look like they should be on an NFL roster. Am i the only one thinking Donald Driver should definitely not be back next season.
Dale Moss is a freakish athlete and I expect we'll stash him as a developmental guy.

I would put money on Driver catching less than 30 balls this year and retiring after the season. Where does he fit in this offense? Jennings, Finley, Nelson, Cobb all should clearly get more touches than him and you can easily make the case for Jones and could argue that Gurley should, too.

He's basically relegated to being a 4th or 5th receiver who specializes in being an emergency outlet for Rodgers.

I bet the brass was hoping he'd retire this year but don't feel like they can just cut him. If he gets any sort of injury, expect him to hit IR early (and, I feel terrible for saying this, to the benefit of the team.)
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We can't take both on. We have Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Jones and Gurley. They all look certain to make the roster. If we are going for 6 then we will have to choose between Reynolds, Moss and Driver. Reynolds looks like he has nice ball skills and is less raw, Moss has sky high upside and Driver has one more year in him. It makes no sense to keep Driver IMO.
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Nick Perry: Love the pick

Worthy: Best pick of the draft

Casey Hayward: Solid need/value combo

Daniels: Doesn't seem to have the bulk to be a oline-eating 34 DE...but I could be wrong. With the number of 3-5 reciever sets we're seeing now...the conventional 34/43 defenses are somewhat antiquted conventions. I think he'll work out.

McMillian: Don't know much about him...has some off field issues so could be a thug. We'll see...

Terrell Manning: Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong highlight videos on youtube...but he looked awful. His teammate (another linebacker playing inside) looked better. Comments in youtube seemed to agree with me. Just think he looks a little heavy footed...not a sure tackler. Hopefully the games I saw were exceptions and not he norm. Not sure where we play him....doesn't seem like an OLB...and if has an ILB we don't have room for the guy...unless Hawk gets cut.

Andrew Datko: Sounds promising and great pick at 7.

BJ Coleman: Wasn't a big fan of his film. His recievers are AWFUL...but still I don't like his pocket presence nor his release (something seems off to it).

All in all...love the draft. We got the players we needed.

Only watched footage of few of the UFA's...

Dale Moss: Huge sleeper IMO...loved the football footage...I bet if he wasn't hiding in the basketball program all these years he would have gone a lot higher. Nice size, speed, quickness, hands....I see this guy making the team (either as #6 or with a Driver cut). Think the team should have drafted him instead of risk losing him as a undrafted free agent.

Marc Tyler, RB, USC: Not bad...Big inside runner who catches the ball runner. Kind of looks like a poor-man's John Clay...just a little lighter on his feet but not as powerful.

Darius Reynolds (Iowa State WR): Looks pretty solid

Marcus Rivers WR Buffalo: Not a speedster...but looks very physical for a reciever.

Eric Lair Minnesota TE: So-so footage...ok...but nothing special IMO.
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Welcome to the site you sexy Packer's fan!

I can't agree with you on Manning. He's not here to be AJ Hawk 2.0, he brings something different which we dont already have. His speed is top class (probably the reason we drafted him), he can rush the pass like an OLB (making him useful on 3rd down situations) and he can cover tight ends and running backs (freeing up Desmond Bishop to do something else). There's more to playing linebacker than tackling, which is why AJ Hawk is such a terrible player.
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We can't take both on. We have Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Jones and Gurley. They all look certain to make the roster. If we are going for 6 then we will have to choose between Reynolds, Moss and Driver. Reynolds looks like he has nice ball skills and is less raw, Moss has sky high upside and Driver has one more year in him. It makes no sense to keep Driver IMO.
I think Moss goes practice squad this year and makes the roster next year; same as I think is going on with Gurley.
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Both TT and McCarthy didn't talk about Driver's future with the team during their pressers the other day, that's pretty telling to me.

Driver is easily one of my top 5 Packers of all time and in my heart I'd love him back. Sadly though, this is a business and the smart money is on them letting him go and having Gurley replacing him on the roster

Head into the season with 5 WR in Jennings/Nelson/Jones and Cobb(interchangeable here)/Gurley. Moss and Reynolds(or one of them) to the PS

that's how I see things shaking out at that position
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I doubt Moss makes it to the PS. If we want him, we have to keep him.
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Here are some nice Dale Moss Highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycby0P7End8

The first few minutes are B-ball highlights...then the rest are football highlights.

Nice article on Moss as well:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...iver-dale-moss

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Based on how I viewed these guys pre-draft, we managed to get a mid-first-round talent and a late-first-round-talent at our two biggest positions of need. I considered Worthy to be the second best 3-4 end prospect, behind only Cox. Both guys should seriously improve the pass rush. I'd have liked to take Konz, but he was off some teams' boards due to injury concerns, so I can understand not taking him. We can also afford to not get our center for another offseason or two, as Saturday should be a good stopgap.

I still can't get over giving up only a 5th round pick (or a 6th and two 7ths if you want to look at it that way) to jump up 30 spots. Hayward looks like a good pick and was likely the guy we'd have ended up with had we stayed at 59.
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