2012 Draft - Page 8

SuperPacker · 02-15-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Isn't Clay listed at 240?
I thought he looked like 230 last year.

Even though his sack numbers were down he was just as good IMO. He found a way to make plays whilst he was being double teamed on every snap.

CheeseKnuckles · 02-15-2012, 06:27 PM

IMO Branch and Irvin would be good opposite CM3, I am not completely sold on Curry. I want to see his combine performance a little. See how flexible he is not sure he has the bend you need to get around LTs in the league.

TimmG6376 · 02-15-2012, 06:36 PM

Clay played 2010 somewhere between 255 and 260. Cut some "bad weight" to play at 250 in 2011.

Miller isn't asked to line up against OTs every snap. He plays SLB in a 4-3. Blitzes from that position on most downs, then will rush from DE on passing downs.

TitleTown088 · 02-15-2012, 07:26 PM

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/139357998.html

Pack showing some interest in Bequette, which, of course, may mean nothing.

J-Mike88 · 02-15-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Even though his sack numbers were down he was just as good IMO. He found a way to make plays whilst he was being double teamed on every snap.

Definitely European English word there!
Clay played very well, but because the offenses were able to focus A LOT more on him this year with no OLB or Cullen Jenkins, he was neutralized from making a lot of game-changing sacks.

Think about 3rd down sacks. They mean punts.

EvilMonkey · 02-15-2012, 08:54 PM

Clay was good, but he was not as good as the year before. Didn't have the burst. The sack numbers cant be looked at. The year before he got coverage sacks and also got sacks because of pressure up the middle. This year, he didn't get those coverage sacks and their was no pressure up the middle so the QB never got stuck in the pocket like the year before and could simply step up to avoid Clay. He was good and definitely was not a problem, but he didnt seem to have the same burst as the year before. I would much rather get DE and Secondary help than take a pass rusher super early.

SuperPacker · 02-16-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey

Clay was good, but he was not as good as the year before. Didn't have the burst. The sack numbers cant be looked at. The year before he got coverage sacks and also got sacks because of pressure up the middle. This year, he didn't get those coverage sacks and their was no pressure up the middle so the QB never got stuck in the pocket like the year before and could simply step up to avoid Clay. He was good and definitely was not a problem, but he didnt seem to have the same burst as the year before. I would much rather get DE and Secondary help than take a pass rusher super early.

I definitely think the two main problems are DE and OLB. We have a good secondary but what do you expect it to do when the QB has all the time in the world. If we got a constant pass rush, which is what another DE and OLB would do, im sure the secondary would go back to being the best in the league. A healthy Collins, an improved Williams, Woodson making plays and Burnett and Shields showing promise. It all looks good back there. I do think we could do with some depth though.

TimmG6376 · 02-16-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

245 would still be fine! Thats what Von Miller was wasnt it. Clay musnt be too much heavier that that either. He just needs to get down the gym and start lifting some weights.

Just to clarify I've seen some differing listing on Irvin's weight. 245 wouldn't be bad, but I've also seen him listed between 230-240. At 245 I'd still be comfortable drafting him but some teams may shy away.

Coincidentally JS just posted an article on Irvin:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...139412568.html

Says he watches film of Clay to get insight into playing the 3-4. I say take him and send him to workout with Clay Jr and Clay Sr.

TimmG6376 · 02-16-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/139357998.html

Pack showing some interest in Bequette, which, of course, may mean nothing.

Don't think it really means anything. Highsmith was there to watch his son. Though I'm sure scouts can't help but do what they do and he'll be very familiar with Bequette.

SuperPacker · 02-16-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TimmG6376

Don't think it really means anything. Highsmith was there to watch his son. Though I'm sure scouts can't help but do what they do and he'll be very familiar with Bequette.

He does seem like a Packer guy though. Im slowly falling in love with this guy.

J-Mike88 · 02-16-2012, 07:33 PM

Bequette?
Is he now a day 2 prospect?

SuperPacker · 02-17-2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Bequette?
Is he now a day 2 prospect?

Apparently so.

TitleTown088 · 02-17-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TimmG6376

Don't think it really means anything. Highsmith was there to watch his son. Though I'm sure scouts can't help but do what they do and he'll be very familiar with Bequette.

if you read it., it says he also met with TT amongst other things.

TimmG6376 · 02-17-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

if you read it., it says he also met with TT amongst other things.

Yeah missed that part. I'm shocked Thompson was caught showing any interest in a player at the Senior Bowl. He must have lost a step ;)

CheeseKnuckles · 02-17-2012, 06:54 PM

Packers Mock/Wishlist 2.0

Rd 1: Andre Branch OLB, Clemson

At 6’5 260, Branch definitely fits the size you are looking for in a ROLB. For a guy his size he can move really well. He is agile, has great closing speed, and a relentless motor. He had a game this season against VT where he tallied up 11 tackles, 6 TFL, and 4 sacks. This pick might not be popular with everyone, but depending on how many rush OLBs are on the board he may be a great pick. Hell I don’t think anyone had CM3 chalked up as a for sure round 1 talent… maybe Branch can be our next great OLB.

Alternate Pick: Peter Konz C, Wisconsin/Vinny Curry OLB, Marshall

Rd 2. Derek Wolfe DE, Cincinnati

IMO Wolfe could be a real suprise of this draft in the future. Hard working player who never takes a play off. In the few games I was able to watch I saw Wolfe being very distruptive time after time. I really hope he could fall into our lap. Wolfe has had an excellent senior season with 64 tackles, 19.5 tackles for a loss, two forced fumbles and 9.5 sacks

Alternate pick: Markelle Martin S Oklahoma St/Casey Hayward CB, Vandy/Billy Winn DE, Boise St./Mike Martin DE, Michigan

Rd 3: Josh Norman CB, Costal Carolina

Norman is 6'3 203 and really quick. I've read a couple things about Norman being the top prospect at the East/West shrine game and never letting WRs get any seperation there. Thompson likes his CBs to be 6'0 and I think we could use some size and toughness in the secondary

Alternate pick: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT, Baylor/ Brock Osweiler QB, ASU/Benard Pierce RB, Temple/Isaiah Peed RB, Cincinnati

Rd 4: Winston Guy Jr. S, Kentucky

In 2011 Guy had 120 tackes, 14 TFL, 2 passes broken up, 2 INTS, and 1 FF. At 6'1 216 Guy would bring a physical presence to the secondary as a 8th man in the box and maybe put some fear in WRs crossing the middle. Guy also has a pretty decent knack for the ball. The thing I like about most Guy is his willingness to tackle. In 2011 Guy had 8 games with double-digit tackles. Guy is literally one of my favorite players in the draft.

Alternate pick: Jamell Flemming CB, Oklahoma

Rd 5: Ethan Johnson DE, Norte Dame

Not sure if Johnson is worth the fifth round pick, but at 6’4 and 300lbs he could be worth the risk. He also has experience in a 3-4 defense where he had 5 sacks playing 3-4 DE.

Alternate pick: Russell Wilson QB, Wisconsin

Rd 6: Tashaun Gipson CB, Wyoming

6’0/196/4.4speed… why not.

Rd 7: Ryan Lewis OLB, Bethune-Cookman College

TT dips back into Bethune-Cookman College. I’ve heard a little bit about this kid. Just wondered if TT has checked into this guy.

I went heavy defense. If I had to guess TT will probably add some OLine depth at some point and possibly other offensive positions, but we need to upgrade our defense so I went this way. I did have some offensive players as my alternate picks though.

princefielder28 · 02-17-2012, 06:59 PM

I would be extremely happy with Branch, Wolfe, and Guy...Guy is actually in my Top 30 for this draft so for me he'd be a steal in the 4th

SuperPacker · 02-17-2012, 07:01 PM

that would be very nice!

J-Mike88 · 02-17-2012, 08:19 PM

I'd sign off on that mock right now.
Plus we will get a few comp picks Teddy can take a TE or OL with. Maybe a QB.

SuperPacker · 02-17-2012, 08:21 PM

oh yeah we should get quite a few comp picks! daryn college and cullen jenkins should get us two 5ths

CheeseKnuckles · 02-17-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

I would be extremely happy with Branch, Wolfe, and Guy...Guy is actually in my Top 30 for this draft so for me he'd be a steal in the 4th

I think once Guy performs at the combine his popularity will rise. The more I think about it he probably won't last till the 4th round.

SuperPacker · 02-18-2012, 08:41 AM

I havent seen a lot of Guy but i'll take you guys' word for it (no pun intended)

J-Mike88 · 02-18-2012, 09:06 AM

How about Ted gives Capers a weapon or 2 BEFORE the draft gets here?

http://packersinsider.com/2012/02/be...ble-additions/

SuperPacker · 02-18-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

How about Ted gives Capers a weapon or 2 BEFORE the draft gets here?

http://packersinsider.com/2012/02/be...ble-additions/

dont get your hopes up

princefielder28 · 02-18-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

I havent seen a lot of Guy but i'll take you guys' word for it (no pun intended)

I tweeted at Winston not too long ago and he replied saying he'd love to get back with Randall Cobb

SuperPacker · 02-18-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

I tweeted at Winston not too long ago and he replied saying he'd love to get back with Randall Cobb

that would be awesome but i suppose its up to TT.