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View Poll Results: What's your prediction for the Giants the rest of the year
Schedule is brutal, they'll lose enough to just miss out on the playoffs 24 32.43%
Make playoffs, but exit with a 1st round loss 18 24.32%
Make playoffs, win a playoff game 19 25.68%
Reach NFC Title game 3 4.05%
Super Bowl loss 2 2.70%
Super Bowl win 8 10.81%
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Default What do you make of the Giants?

Their remaining schedule includes: Patriots, 49ers, Cowboys and Saints on the road; the Eagles, Packers and Cowboys at home.

The Giants are almost as big of a surprise as the 49ers given all the injuries they suffered in training camp.

They're 5-2 right now, lead everyone in their division by 2 games, although they are just 1-1 in the division while Philly is 2-1 within the division.

Like Gomer or not, you have to give Elijah Manning a lot of credit for the way he's played. I think he's throwing the ball as well as anyone almost.

As we start November tomorrow and finish week 8, what's your take and prediction for the remainder of the Giants?
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Look at their early schedule. It's tissue-paper soft:

@ Washington
St. Louis
@ Philadelphia
@ Arizona
Seattle
Buffalo
Miami

They only went 5-2 with this easy slate of games and could have easily lost to Buffalo, Arizona, and Miami.

Now look at the remainder of their schedule:

@ New England
@ San Francisco
Philadelphia
@ New Orleans
Green Bay
@ Dallas
Washington
@ New York Jets
Dallas


I'd be shocked if they win emerge from that string of games with less than five losses.

This is a 9-7, 8-8 type of team, tops. They have a decent passing attack, an anemic rushing attack, a good pass rush masquerading a weak secondary, and a poor rushing defense. Just like in 2009 (when they started 5-0 against the dregs of the league and then finished 8-8) an early string of victories against bad teams will make them look better early on than they will actually turn out being.
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I think the Eagles come back and take that division. The Giants miss the playoffs on account of the NFC North and South having great years. The schedule is just too much for the Giants.
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Look at their early schedule. It's tissue-paper soft:


Now look at the remainder of their schedule:

@ New England
@ San Francisco
Philadelphia
@ New Orleans
Green Bay
@ Dallas
Washington
@ New York Jets
Dallas

I'd be shocked if they win emerge from that string of games with less than five losses.

Just like in 2009 (when they started 5-0 against the dregs of the league and then finished 8-8) an early string of victories against bad teams will make them look better early on than they will actually turn out being.
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Giants fans will be rooting for Chicago to win a week from tonight as the Eagles go to Chicago. Remember Chicago shut them down last year when Philly & Vick were red hot coming in.
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That schedule is almost unfair.
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Giants fans will be rooting for Chicago to win a week from tonight as the Eagles go to Chicago. Remember Chicago shut them down last year when Philly & Vick were red hot coming in.
Correction: Chicago did not shut them down - Vick threw for 333 yards, 2 TDs, and the Eagles offense put up 398 yards of offense and 26 points. The problem for the Eagles in that game was that Jay Cutler ripped their crappy secondary to shreds by throwing for a career-high 4 TDs.

If the Eagles play better on defense this year, I think the Eagles beat the Bears easily. Also, the game is in Philadelphia this time and the Bears do not have the "home field advantage" which means that the Soldier Field turf will not cause the opposing team to slip and slide all game long, because they will be playing at Lincoln Financial Field.
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Should see in a few weeks if we can get it going. Getting healthier (Sunday's injuries seem pretty minor). Hopefully the middle of the OL picks it up. If we can start running the ball better I think this is a dangerous team.

While Eli is playing amazing right now, trying to rely on the passing game at the Meadowlands in winter never works.
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They might get in as a Wildcard, but I have the Eagles winnig the division. I've been impressed with how Eli Manning has been playing this year
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Too soon to say. The giants showed up n played great against the more talented teams on their schedule n played down to their opposition in the others. The D is stacked with a great DL and starting secondary, but the coaching's been very held back and cautious in games the Giants should "win on talent alone.". If we can avoid injuries and Fewell cranks up the pressure so we actually play up to our talent the D is superblwl caliber. One of the best safety tandems in the league and great starting corners, Ross is having a career year. All with some solid LBs the best set of Ends in the league and a really good set of DTs.

Offensively how well the OL can come together now that everyone's healthy...*knock on wood*...and how much play calling gets left to Eli will determine how far we go. Eli's playing amazing football and the receivers are talented...when they're not screwing up...but the running won't start clicking until the OL gels more. Right now they're the best of the NFC East and should get to 10-11 wins this season if all keeps going ok on the injury front.
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The Giants seem to play to the level of their competition. They'll be in the hunt for the playoffs, and if they get in who knows what'll happen.
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It's so frustrating. We never get to blow anybody out, the team really just plays flat, simple and passive whenever they outclass their opponents in talent. Fortunately Eli's super-clutch and we do also play up to our opposition when we have to.
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tjsunstein hit the nail on the head.. we play to the level of our competition. everyone thought we would beat seattle but the smart giant fan knew that that game was most likely going to be a lot closer than it should've been and look what happened.. we lost. same with yesterday. that game was so much closer than it should've been. we can't let our opponents dictate the pace and tone of the game and we let that happen all too often
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That's obviously very, very critical as most playoff games are close enough that the clutch guy wins.

Too bad it's not NYG vs Phi in the final week.
Eagles will be hosting the lame-duck Redskins, while the Giants will be hosting the Cowboys. Can Dallas remain relevant that long?
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Honestly, I dont know. THey struggle against terrible teams (Cardinals, Seahawks, Dolphins) but will play good against better teams.

It seems like they play to there competition, and what should worry them is there not a very young team. They have a lot of established core players that are in there prime like Tuck, Webster, Manning, Bradshaw, Jacobs, Rolle, OSI, Kiwanuka.

I think coaching is a problem, but Eli Manning isn't an elite QB to me. He's still inconsistant.
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How the **** is Eli Inconsistent? That's the most baffling thing I've ever read on this board...this month...week...
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Probably won't make the playoffs with that schedule. Eagles seemed to have turned it around and are only 2 losses worse than the Giants. Cowboys schedule down the stretch is a lot weaker, but I don't think they have the makings to win this division. I don't like the NFC East this year to contend for a title. AFC South plus the 49ers, Lions, and Packers all seem much more likely to make a run in the postseason to me.
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Giants will go as far as Elijah takes them. If Eli brings his A game, the NYG have enough to run the table in the NFCE.
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Our schedule is kind of messed up. Pretty decent early on and then probably one of the hardest in the NFL.

We are streaky, especially on defense. I am not sold on Perry Fewell at all. I think our offense is pretty much getting carried on Eli's back, who is by far, our MVP.

Injuries have killed our team, and we are sort of floating along. Oh, and we lost yet another CB for the year. Broke his arm, and still played 2 quarters, lol. So cue, another one bites the dust!

People forget we are a 5-2 team with a beat up team which was frm day 1.

On offense, like I said Eli is our MVP. We can't run the ball, we barely can pass protect, we have no super stars on our offense, and we are running around with undrafted free agents, who I pray run the right route when called upon.

Our TE is so slow, I can break anyone's leg with a golf club here, and they'd still crawl faster than our TE. But Ballard has been very productive.

We will see how this 2nd half of the schedule shakes out. We have the talent to keep pace with any team. It depends if the injury situation sinks us or do we still float our way forward.
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QB and pass rush. If you have those two things you can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime. We'll be in every game as long as we stay healthy.

I think it is probably safe to say that the East is only going to get the division winner into the playoffs this year. If the Giants beat the Eagles again on Nov 20, it might be nearly impossible for them to come back. They are already spotting us 2.5 games basically.

I think the Eagles problems are still there. Just like the Skins game last year, people are now back on the band wagon after the Cowboys game. Cowboys ran the ball 9 times. Granted they were down but they basically abandoned the best way to beat the Eagles.
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We'll find out over the next 8 weeks. The real season begins now for the Giants. We have our flaws, we can't stop the run (we run a base nickel defense) lack depth in the secondary, have a poor DC in Perry Fewell, and we can't run the ball. Our oline has been mediocre as well.

That's my concern. You can't win in NJ with the aerial attack in November and December. You gotta run the ball. Those passing numbers will go down, it's just impossible to put up elite passing numbers when it gets cold and windy out here.

So that's a concern of mine. If we want to sustain success over the next 2 months, the run game has to pick up. Right now we have one of the worst run games in the league.

Eli is basically carrying our offense. We can't expect him to do that all season with the upcoming weather. We have to succeed on the ground.

Our defense lives and dies with our pass rush. When it's on, we're tough to beat. When it's not, we're sitting ducks bc Fewell runs soft zones all day. I'm not a Perry Fewell fan.
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