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Old 11-27-2011, 02:06 AM    (permalink
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Wilson won't be in a Sanchez type situation, so he should stay at Arkansas.
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If Barkley comes back, the 2013 class will be loaded at the top with him, Wilson and Bray.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:08 AM    (permalink
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If Barkley comes back, the 2013 class will be loaded at the top with him, Wilson and Bray.
More than Luck+RG3+Jones+Tannehill?
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Why? Because of his stat line? Because he doesnt throw the ball 40 times a game? Or???
most likely the system but he really doesn't do anything but throw 5 yard crossing routes
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More than Luck+RG3+Jones+Tannehill?
Still yes. All three of the other guys are legitimate #1 overall pick type talents. I can't say the same for Jones, Griffin or Tannehill.
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Tyler Wilson....LEAVE...and leave NOW!!!
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Any news on if Wilson will declare or not?
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Doubt he leaves. Why does everyone think Bray is leaving next year especially since he hasn't even put together a full year yet.
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Doubt he leaves. Why does everyone think Bray is leaving next year especially since he hasn't even put together a full year yet.
Yeah. I definitely think Bray is a 2014 prospect and not 2013.
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Does anyone else see a little bit of Eli Manning in Wilson? I really like how he is able to extend the plays sometimes and yet accurately deliver the ball in awkward positions.
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Does anyone else see a little bit of Eli Manning in Wilson? I really like how he is able to extend the plays sometimes and yet accurately deliver the ball in awkward positions.
He can't throw deep like Eli, so no.
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Does anyone else see a little bit of Eli Manning in Wilson? I really like how he is able to extend the plays sometimes and yet accurately deliver the ball in awkward positions.
Spot on imo except Wilson can run too but... he doesn't have the Eli blank stare.
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So any chance he leaves via the Supplemental draft? I think he should to avoid being Brian Brohm 2.0
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I don't think he's allowed to.

His eligibility has to be effected, if I remember correctly. That's one of the holdups that delayed Terrelle Pryor's entry.
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So any chance he leaves via the Supplemental draft? I think he should to avoid being Brian Brohm 2.0
Tyler Wilson doesn't have to worry about being the next Brohm; he's a far more talented QB.
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I don't think he's allowed to.

His eligibility has to be effected, if I remember correctly. That's one of the holdups that delayed Terrelle Pryor's entry.
He has plenty of time left to receive improper benefits from an agent.
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I don't think he's allowed to.

His eligibility has to be effected, if I remember correctly. That's one of the holdups that delayed Terrelle Pryor's entry.
This was said by Greg Aiello during Pryor's process:

“If there are no players eligible for a supplemental draft, there is no supplemental draft,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an email to FOXSports.com on Sunday. “It is for players whose circumstances have changed in an unforeseen way after the regular (college) draft. It is not a mechanism for simply bypassing the regular (draft).”

I'd assume a coach getting fired would qualify as an unforeseen circumstance. Not that he's likely to enter but I bet he could if he wanted to.
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He should stay, he has a great chance to be a 1st round pick if he has another season like last year.
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Tyler Wilson doesn't have to worry about being the next Brohm; he's a far more talented QB.
I agree with you and love Tyler Wilson as a prospect , but there is a good chance he regresses in 2012. All of his WRs are gone to the NFL and his coach gets canned now.
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He should stay, he has a great chance to be a 1st round pick if he has another season like last year.
With how high Pryor went, I could easily see him being taken int the supplemental first. No way he passes the Texans.
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Better prospect in 2 years: Bray or Wilson?
Wilson.

Tyler Bray is a walking injury. When Bray bulks up to 240-250 (like a 6'6" QB needs to be), then Bray will likely be a more serious prospect.

edit: How the **** did I miss "in 2 years". :/
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