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Old 11-08-2011, 07:38 PM    (permalink
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Call me crazy but I think this is one big witch hunt. Joe Pa did what he was suppose to do contact his superiors and get an investigation either within or outside of the organization started. No investigation was started but we have no idea of what he was told afterwards. The University is trying to save its name on the legacy of a great coach. They are making Joe Pa the sacrificial lamb due to how old he is.
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Call me crazy but I think this is one big witch hunt. Joe Pa did what he was suppose to do contact his superiors and get an investigation either within or outside of the organization started. No investigation was started but we have no idea of what he was told afterwards. The University is trying to save its name on the legacy of a great coach. They are making Joe Pa the sacrificial lamb due to how old he is.
You are crazy.

Read the report. Curley, Schultz, and JoePa all knew what Sandusky was. For a long time, since at least 1998.
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Call me crazy but I think this is one big witch hunt. Joe Pa did what he was suppose to do contact his superiors and get an investigation either within or outside of the organization started. No investigation was started but we have no idea of what he was told afterwards. The University is trying to save its name on the legacy of a great coach. They are making Joe Pa the sacrificial lamb due to how old he is.
Ok I'll do it first you're crazy. Joe Pa let this guy around his closed practices with little children fully knowing what this monster did in the past. Are you seriously going to tell me if it were you and you knew the history of this guy that you'd let him do that? It's just sick to even think about it. Joe Pa only cared about his reputation and tried to hide the problem within his own world. Everyone at the university who was involved is culpable including the two men who already been arrested and the soon to be fired Joe Pa and President.
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Why do people keep trying to make this an argument? This is as cut and dry as life gets. Everyone involved is a giant ******* scumbag.
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Call me crazy but I think this is one big witch hunt. Joe Pa did what he was suppose to do contact his superiors and get an investigation either within or outside of the organization started. No investigation was started but we have no idea of what he was told afterwards. The University is trying to save its name on the legacy of a great coach. They are making Joe Pa the sacrificial lamb due to how old he is.
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. HE LET HIM IN THE BUILDING YEARS AND YEARS AFTER HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS, HE COULD HAVE GONE OUT OF HIS WAY TO STOP HIM FROM ENTERING THE BUILDING EVER AGAIN.
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Call me crazy but I think this is one big witch hunt. Joe Pa did what he was suppose to do contact his superiors and get an investigation either within or outside of the organization started. No investigation was started but we have no idea of what he was told afterwards. The University is trying to save its name on the legacy of a great coach. They are making Joe Pa the sacrificial lamb due to how old he is.
I'm not sure it can be a witch hunt. Everyone from the President on down to the football coaches. Anyone that has been there since 1999, should go. So it can't be just a witch hunt on JoePa.
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I'm not sure it can be a witch hunt. Everyone from the President on down to the football coaches. Anyone that has been there since 1999, should go. So it can't be just a witch hunt on JoePa.
Granted but all of the press seems to go to Joe Pa I hear Joe Pa's name more than the guy who did the deed, the witness, and the superiors. Even the thread title puts it more on Joe Pa.
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I don't see how it's a witch hunt, when it appears he did the absolute minimum to seek justice for those kids and prevent the rest from happening. He had the power to push for action on this when the others involved decided to do nothing. When a person wielded the power he did at that institution and he chose to sit on his hands while the victims accumulated, an extra noose can be found to fit around his neck.

He isn't going down alone in this either so he definitely isn't the scapegoat. Accomplices would be a more fitting term for those finding themselves in the spotlight at Penn State.
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CNN has an article up about how students are gathering at Paterno's house in support of him. It would be nice if they'd read the report before gathering.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/justic...html?hpt=hp_c1
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Granted but all of the press seems to go to Joe Pa I hear Joe Pa's name more than the guy who did the deed, the witness, and the superiors. Even the thread title puts it more on Joe Pa.
It's his program essentially. He's the figurehead/mascot of Penn State so odds are you'll hear more about him. McQueary goes by the title "a grad assistant" in the media as well. All the speculation is on Paterno just simply because of his stature.

It's not all of his fault by any means. However, he did nothing to stop it and did more to let it happen. If your idea of punishment to a child rapist is "he won't be my successor", then I can't accept you being a "class-first" guy.
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The story comes down to this. U guys maybe my bestest friends in the world or u maybe my boss and I like u or something (which I would never like a boss but thats not the point.) If I see my boss or if I hear rumors of my best friend, no matter how close, butt ******* a ten year old in the shower, the person I am going to is not my dad or the AD. Its the police man, that should just kinda be common sense.
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Is it true that the 2nd Mile charity also knew of this for 3 years but still kept Sandusky around?
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CNN has an article up about how students are gathering at Paterno's house in support of him. It would be nice if they'd read the report before gathering.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/justic...html?hpt=hp_c1
No surprise. You see thousands support the catholic church when they protect their pedo priests as well. The weak always support the institution/leader over what is right. It's what they identify with and it scares them to have to question what they believe in in any way. Symbols are overly important to a certain type of person and that is what Paterno is to these individuals.
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Really... we should have known the number would be much higher than 8. He's apparently very bold about doing what he did, and was around a ton of kids for a long time.

Sickening.... I guess Sandusky is way too dirty for me to be mad at Joe Pa at the moment. I know if someone told me that about one of my friends I was close to, I probably wouldn't believe it at all.
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IDK if this has been posted but this guy was a sicko

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"Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it," the mother said. "He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002—there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable."

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A few weeks before her son broke down and confessed to a principal at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County that he was being molested by Jerry Sandusky—a volunteer football coach at his high school—his mother began to suspect something was wrong.

First, it was because her son was acting out. When she grounded him, she said Sandusky demanded he be able to "take care of it."

"I said, ‘No way, he's my kid,'" she said.

Then, her son began asking her about an online database for "sex weirdos."

"You don't want to just accuse people of that," the mother said. "I called the school principal and the guidance counselor and said, if nothing else, he's taking my son out of classes. He's leaving the school with him. ... So I asked them to call him into the office and ask [my son] how he felt.

"They did call him to the office that day and I remember [the principal] was in tears and she said, ‘You need to come here right away.'"

Her son, then 15, broke down and told them what happened.
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Sandusky admitted to victim one mother 13 years ago that he did these disgusting things and no one at Penn State did anything wow. JoePa and the rest of the people need to be fired.
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The BOT is not planning on doing anything with Spanier. And at least one member supports Curley and Schultz.

These people are ******* idiots if that is the case. Likely going with the McQueary is full of **** defense. Which is idiotic, but everything that PSU has done the past few days has been idiotic.

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The board of trustees at Penn State University does not plan to fire university president Graham Spanier, who finds himself and his university embroiled in a child sex assault case involving a former coach and also dealing with allegations that two administrators tried to cover it up.

In a phone interview Monday, Steve Garban, chairman of the board of trustees, said terminating Mr. Spanier is not on the table.

"No, it's not being discussed at this point," he said.

The board met in an emergency executive session for about two hours on Sunday evening to discuss the matter. The vast majority of board members attended, he said.

The meeting was held after Jerry Sandusky, the football team's former defensive coordinator, was charged with sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period.

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Tim Curley, director of athletics, and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, were charged on Saturday with perjury and failing to report the alleged assault on campus of one boy after being told about it by head football coach Joe Paterno. Mr. Paterno was told about it by a graduate assistant in 2002. That assault is said to have occurred in a football locker room shower.

Mr. Garban said the board plans to convene a task force with its own independent legal counsel to investigate the matter.

He said details of the task force and the scope of its investigation have yet to be worked out, but it will also look at the university's "policies and procedures ... related to the protection of children."

Mr. Garban, a former vice president at the university whose 33-year tenure as an administrator ended in 1993, said he has worked with both Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz. He said he found the allegations against them "hard to believe, quite frankly."

"I have known them as people of high integrity," he said.

Both administrators have insisted they're innocent of the charges.

"I believe them," Mr. Garban said.
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There is no way they can keep these guys in power, and not deal with intense beyond belief public scrutiny (well deserved at that).
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The only cOnclusion is that they are morons. From the BOT on down. The arrogant stupidity is stunning.
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If the PSU Board of Trustees aren't careful, they are going to give their football program the death penalty all on their own.

What turned Alabama around in less than 5 years into a national powerhouse?? Dominant recruiting.
Why have Miami/ND fallen on hard times?? Lack of elite prep talent from recruiting.

This scandal is so utterly disgusting, I don't see how ANY HS athlete would want to be associated with the Nitanny Lions. If the university doesn't clean house of everyone who is associated with this scandal, I think PSU falls into a black hole that will take a decade(s) to crawl out of.

JoePa is looking like a mafia don protecting one of his top underbosses.
PSU can't nibble around the edges on this, they have to right the ship before it's too late.

People act as if great programs can't fall apart.

Who remembers USC in the mid 1980s and 1990s?? Awful times.
THe U. used to own the state of Florida and could poach the #1 recruit from nearly any state in the country to play for the 'Canes. Florida State used to be a top 5 program every year and averaged 45 points a game.
Oklahoma was a pathetic program in the 1990s. Texas wasn't much better.

When the best players in the state of Pennsylvania no longer want to play for Penn State's disgrace of a program and choose Pittsburgh instead, the damage is done.
And if Pitt ever gets to a BCS game or championship with recruits who normally would have gone to PSU, there could be a permanent shift in the balance of power in the state.

People seem to forget how quickly things can change in college football with the loss of reputation in the minds of recruits.
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Well, Garban's little release sheds a wee bit more light on how Sandusky could operate so freely.

How does a school get rid of their BoT? A PSU diploma on the wall is going to get a lot of negative reaction if these assholes stay the course.

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Penn State is going to lose A LOT of money period by keeping them in tact, forget about just recruits. In addition to that, Second Mile is going to be absolutely done for too since they allowed Sandusky to remain there for 9 years after the thing in 1998 (and 5 years after learning about the 2002 incident).
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Psu is going to have the pants sued off of them. I hope that they have a great insurance policy because they are going to need it.

Funbuncher nailed it wrt their football program. If they don't clean house immediately they are in a black hole. If they do clean house the damage may only be for a few years until after the legal cases are over.
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The student rally for JoePa has now devolved to tear gas and riot police. So misguided and surreal.

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When the best players in the state of Pennsylvania no longer want to play for Penn State's disgrace of a program and choose Pittsburgh instead, the damage is done.
That was already happening before this scandal. Penn State has stopped being an elite program awhile back.

I think the Board is planning to clean house completely (or should I say I hope), it's just it can't do it all at once.
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