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Old 11-07-2011, 05:39 PM    (permalink
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I've heard rumors of Meyer to the NFL (ironically I've heard Stephen Ross wants him in Miami), Penn State, Ohio State, and we'll probably hear more to every team that has a coaching opening this year. Wouldn't be surprised if he stays in retirement either...

As a Penn Stater, these two articles hit home soooo hard. Obviously written by PSU students but just wanted to share how some current students are feeling...

http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/07/dont-blame-joe/

http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/07/ho...roke-my-heart/
It has to absolutely blow to be a student right now. A living legend is getting rocked and your school administrators are embroiled in some of the nastiest scandal you can have.

Alums can do something about it. Pressure on donations (since you mentioned that they fund the school so much) is number one. But a student really has little power.

WRT Meyer, I don't see him coaching in the near future, either. PSU and OSU are hot on the rumor mill but don't make much sense to me.
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sorry joe, its just that (like eaglesalltheway said) there have been some terrible anti-psu stuff out there since the news broke, and its not like the student body is taking this lightly. we dont want to be associated with those crimes anymore than JoePa does. its just an awful situation.

i didnt come to this school because of their football program, but id be lying if i said it wasnt one of my favorite aspects of penn state. as far as im concerned, other than the scumbags being accused/investigated, the penn state football community shouldnt be viewed in a negative light. we welcome opposing fans to our tailgates, rarely boo refs/other teams, and used to pride ourselves on a great atmosphere surrounding our program. it sucks a few monsters ruined it. now the school MUST clean house and start anew.
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i dont know if ive said this in here yet.. i read the 23 page report and it was one of the most horrifying things ive ever laid my eyes on. as a big brother and cousin, i cannot imagine how the victims and their families are dealing with this. i hope that the school stops aiding the assholes who allegedly covered this up, and start devoting time and resources to the victims' needs
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sorry joe, its just that (like eaglesalltheway said) there have been some terrible anti-psu stuff out there since the news broke, and its not like the student body is taking this lightly. we dont want to be associated with those crimes anymore than JoePa does. its just an awful situation.

i didnt come to this school because of their football program, but id be lying if i said it wasnt one of my favorite aspects of penn state. as far as im concerned, other than the scumbags being accused/investigated, the penn state football community shouldnt be viewed in a negative light. we welcome opposing fans to our tailgates, rarely boo refs/other teams, and used to pride ourselves on a great atmosphere surrounding our program. it sucks a few monsters ruined it. now the school MUST clean house and start anew.
Apology accepted :) It's a rotten situation that is highly emotionally charged. I'd likely be much less civil at that time in my life.

No one should be mocking PSU fans, alums, or students. That's pathetic.
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It is reassuring to see that the PSU fans/alums that are responding here are taking this seriously and aren't attacking the victims which is so often the case when an institution comes under scrutiny.

I lose a lot of faith in humanity when I see how the catholic church and other entities treat victims and protect molestors. What we seem to be seeing here is some rogues with a lot of power acting from behind a veil and keeping information from a community that would rather have this dealt with properly from the start.

I feel for you guys having your school associated with this, but you are showing character that gives me hope that at some point others will think to do the right thing from the start knowing they have the backing of their community.

I will try to be respectful when discussing this. It is a very emotional issue for me having family and friends that are victims of pediphiles. These crimes often do damage that is lifelong and reaches far beyond a single degenerats personal victims.
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Totally agree that the NCAA had no jurisdiction.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if they get involved if Sandusky is found guilty. With part of the crime occurring while Sandusky was an NCAA coach, they could try to get involved if they choose to.
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I wouldn't be overly surprised if they get involved if Sandusky is found guilty. With part of the crime occurring while Sandusky was an NCAA coach, they could try to get involved if they choose to.
On what basis, though? What NCAA rule? I don't know the rule book so there may be something in there. I guess it would be something to do with illegal behaviors?
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No need for the NCAA to grandstand on this one, especially if one of their officials heard rumors about Sandusky years ago.

At the end of this scandal, I think it will be discovered that Paterno knew more about this suspected pedophile on his coaching staff and the best Paterno could do, or chose to do, was force Sandusky to retire with full benefits as one of the program's most respected figures after reporting allegations of sexual misconduct by one of his grad assistants to University adminstrators.
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I think Joe Paterno should step down. He's going to have a press conference tomorrow and he won't be able to not answer the media tomorrow about the allegations, which is probably going to take up the entire conference. What a terrible way to go out. But he should have followed up on this instead of doing what he was legally bound to do. I don't know how you can feel comfortable with this guy around for another six or so years. I'm not a big college football fan, but this goes beyond football. Regardless of what Paterno has done on the field as a coach, as a person with a good or even decent moral sense of character we all want folks to have in this day and age, he should have done more.
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Paterno stepping down/being fired....yes. The whole jail thing, a little extreme. Sandusky, if found guilty, needs to rot. Hate to see the Paterno career end this way.
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How could Paterno let him come to a closed practice with little boys and not say anything after he had already known what this ass was capable of. I can't believe Paterno hasn't stepped down yet. This whole thing is very sickening to say the least.
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But a student really has little power.
If you think a student protest won't be heard at this point, you're wrong. carry signs to the game with messages on them directed at the situation.

I guarantee you that Penn State wants to do whatever will expunge this from their standing right now.
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As if there is not a big dark cloud over college football. Reading that report made me absolutely cringe inside. How did the police not stop him after being caught in the shower and confessing the first time through the parent?

How does a wife take to this? Does he have kids?

Antoine Dodson warned us of people like this.
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He has a wife and 6 adopted kids.
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Oh yeah, the story gets more disgusting as it unfolds. Do you cry or throwup?
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I wonder if Sandusky did anything inappropriate with his own children. I really hope not, but after reading that report, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Yeah, I was wondering that as well when I was reading it. One of his sons works in the Browns organization or something, right?


Just about as ugly as it can possibly get, unfortunately. As far as the NCAA is concerned, it wouldn't surprise me if they jumped in on this because of how close Sandusky was to the athletic program and some of it taking place during his tenure as a coach. I'm not sure it would be right and it certainly shouldn't bring anyone peace or retribution from this, but how often does the NCAA do the right thing? These guys are all going to jail for a very long time. Taking away a few scholarships from the freaking football team kind of seems self important and childish when you are dealing with something like this.
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I honestly want to know why this didn't come out when JoePa was tipped off/tipped off his AD and VP. I can see that they probably wanted to keep it under wraps to avoid scandal at Penn State (which is sick on their part if that's true), but why didn't Paterno come out at expose the coverup? It's not like they could fire Paterno for doing thatt. A lot of the details to this don't make sense to me, it's very messed up. Letting a guy get away with raping kids is about as low as you can humanly get.

(edit) after seeing what Paterno let Sandusky do after the complaints and incidents in 98 and 02, I can see why some people are saying he should get fired or even go to jail. it's very screwed up.
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I honestly want to know why this didn't come out when JoePa was tipped off/tipped off his AD and VP. I can see that they probably wanted to keep it under wraps to avoid scandal at Penn State (which is sick on their part if that's true), but why didn't Paterno come out at expose the coverup? It's not like they could fire Paterno for doing thatt. A lot of the details to this don't make sense to me, it's very messed up. Letting a guy get away with raping kids is about as low as you can humanly get.
The only thing that I can come up with is that Sandusky had some blackmail of some sort on PSU or JoePa.
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get him booted from his job. There's no way he should be allowed to coach another game after this. How a recruit, or a recruits mom, could ever trust him to look out for the players best interest is beyond me.
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Just listened to Jim Rome. He burned Paterno bad.
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Reminds me of this.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/

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“There’s some tough — there’s so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?”
Naked tickle fight in showers, what else is Sandusky to do?

He's old and very outdated. Paterno has no values and is just a mascot that represents Penn State. PSU is better than Paterno. Losing him would be no big deal.

**oh yeah and I remember this episode too**

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/n...ory?id=3504915

Fair criticism or not, its a terrible downward spiral that showcases an exceeding lack of judgement and attention demanded of college coaches.
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Sandusky's behavior IMO is separate from the program. Being an open pedophile doesn't reflect a greater permissiveness throughout the PSU football team.
If this had been a player or assistant coach, they would have been arrested in the middle of practice the minute these allegations came out.

The only real concern I have is whether or not Paterno shielded arguably his best friend on his coaching staff from criminal prosecution.

It's almost like getting caught for embezzling funds from your job after working there for 30 years, and instead of being fired and arrested, you're allowed to 'retire' with full benefits.

It will be very interesting to hear what Penn State's AD and University President say the next time they're under oath, and whether or not they implicate Paterno.
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