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The stupid scumbag of Sandusky will be getting plenty of what he likes in the showers of the State Penn. Hope he rots in hell.

As for JoePa...idk...deep down I don't think I can really be mad at him. I want to believe he's at least a semi decent human being I guess and until it gets totally proven he's just like the AD and VP, I think I'll side with him.
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I don't think Joe's composure really matters. Who cares if he gets mad. The milk has spilled after eight years. People have a right to ask the difficult questions. PSU needs to stop worrying about covering their asses at this point and putting up some kind of positive image with this incident, because you can't. The best thing to do would be to talk about this. Or at least make a statement about the most obvious questions. And Joe Paterno deserves a chance to clear his name or whatever.
That is why I think they should have sent the president out there to answer the questions. I don't agree with them cancelling the press conference. I only agree to them deciding not to send Paterno out there alone. But people deserve answers now.
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Stopping that incident would have made that GA a national hero. Instead he just walked away and probably ruined his reputation.
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Grizz, you are being naive. Joe knew about this stuff since 1998.

Sandusky admitted to hugging boys in the shower. Why do you think joe pushed him out? Why do you think he didn't have much to say about him at his retirement? It wasn't for on field performance or personality clashes. It was for knowing that Sandusky was a pedo rapist.

I understand the angst. It really blows. But it's way too Pollyanna to say JoePa didn't know.
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I'm also thinking he knew with Sandusky's dismissal. I'm guessing that Paterno didn't know enough or wasn't told enough that when he told the higher ups there wasn't enough evidence or whatever to make something of it. Honestly I would like to know how the information was passed on to him from the GA.
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Look, when someone tells you a male colleague is showering NAKED with young boys and 'hugging' them, what more details do you need??

JoePa at least knew this which was enough to cut ALL ties with Sandusky and call the police.
His behavior should have placed under suspicion Sandusky's relationship with every single boy he paraded around PSU's campus and football practices.
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Apparently, Paterno is scheduling his own press conference or something, independent of Penn State. Supposedly, there's a major divide there right now. Can't possibly bode well for his hopes of finishing the season.
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Look, when someone tells you a male colleague is showering NAKED with young boys and 'hugging' them, what more details do you need??

JoePa at least knew this which was enough to cut ALL ties with Sandusky and call the police.
His behavior should have placed under suspicion Sandusky's relationship with every single boy he paraded around PSU's campus and football practices.
Well that GA went home and then told Paterno right? Unfortunately that GA said something and it was just that. I blame the school administration more so than Paterno for not acting. You don't want to launch an investigation without proof that something happened as it could screw up a person's career. The thing that offsets this is that Sandusky has had allegations before that incident. I'm assuming Paterno knew this, and he didn't act. Which is where I think he did something wrong. If the man was already under the gun before (Sandusky) and Paterno got wind of possibly another incident he should have told the higher ups and made sure it was followed. That is where he failed.
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JoePa at least knew this which was enough to cut ALL ties with Sandusky and call the police.
His behavior should have placed under suspicion Sandusky's relationship with every single boy he paraded around PSU's campus and football practices.
This is why I keep coming back around to thinking that Sandusky blackmailed JoePa and/or others at PSU.

Under normal circumstances, you fire that sicko and kick him the hell out of campus and try to get him thrown into jail.

You don't keep it quiet and keep the guy around your campus parading around kids.
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Apparently, Paterno is scheduling his own press conference or something, independent of Penn State. Supposedly, there's a major divide there right now. Can't possibly bode well for his hopes of finishing the season.
I was wondering if he would do that. Or set up a one on one interview where someone could ask the questions that everyone wants to ask.
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Here's what I'm currently thinking about Paterno

1. He's 85 years old next month, and he's been entrenched in the "good old boys network" for his entire adult life.
2. He knew about Sandusky molesting kids and handled matters via said "good old boys network," which included forcing Sandusky out of PSU. In his mind, he thought this was the proper way to go about things.

He's not a monster and he's not a saint. He handled things dramatically differently than most of us would have, but he's only guilty of being stupid. Reckless stupidity should be grounds for dismissal when it leads to the enabling of one of the worst child predators on record, and nobody should feel bad for Paterno, but I do think I sort of "get" his thought process.

McQueary, on the other hand, deserves to go to jail for at least a few months. That guy really sucks.

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McQueary, on the other hand, deserves to go to jail for at least a few months. That guy really sucks.
There's no legal precedent for a bystander not doing anything actually getting jail time so I wouldn't put him in jail, but he's just a worthless coward. That's enough.
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There's no legal precedent for a bystander not doing anything actually getting jail time so I wouldn't put him in jail, but he's just a worthless coward. That's enough.
That's why I said "deserves to go..." instead of "should go..." ;)

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Yeah, it's pretty clear that's one the real tragedies in this story. McQueary is an absolute coward in the truest since of the word. According to the report, he was seen by both the child and Sandusky...and he ran away. How anyone could do that is just beyond my understanding. It makes me sick to think what must have been racing through that kids mind after that happened.
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And that's not even to bring up the fact that he called his dad first and right away.......give me a ******* break. You're 28 years old, learn what is right and wrong and stop putting your damn career first.
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And that's not even to bring up the fact that he called his dad first and right away.......give me a ******* break. You're 28 years old, learn what is right and wrong and stop putting your damn career first.
Unfortunately I think those days are few if not gone completely. Very very few ppl will put morality over their career now a days. The severity of the situation will obviously come into play but I would bet a lot of ppl would throw something under the rug to protect their career/job.
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And that's not even to bring up the fact that he called his dad first and right away.......give me a ******* break. You're 28 years old, learn what is right and wrong and stop putting your damn career first.
It's not even like he had to try to be a hero. He could have gone back to his office and dialed 911 instead of calling his dad. The police would have shown up and very possibly caught Sandusky with the kid, they certainly would have had video surveillance placing the victim and perpetrator in the facilities at the time of the alleged act, they would have had eye-witness testimony, in addition to physical evidence. I'm no lawyer, but that seems like a pretty air-tight case.

He didn't even have to do anything heroic other than call the friggin' cops.

And his father isn't any better. If somebody calls me and tells me that they just witnessed a child being raped, I'm going to tell them to hang up and call 911. This is pretty straightforward.

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I hope people learn from this incident that when they see something like this go down you need to act. I know it's easy for me to say that from this computer, but really it's not like Sandusky had a gun or whatever and was robbing someone. No one's life was at stake or anything like that. Like I said, I don't know why he ran away. I don't know if he feared his job or whatever, which would be dumb because if anything this would make him look like a national hero. Be a man.
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I get that McQueary acted in a cowardly fashion, but catching the 2nd most important individual in the PSU football program raping a child isn't the same as walking in on a RS frosh kicker raping someone.

Imagine wherever you work, the COO of that organization, many decades your senior, and you walked in to his office and saw him raping someone??

You may want to knock the guy out and drag him to the nearest police station, but you may want to tell the CEO first.

When Joe citizen catches a powerful person committing a crime, if you don't think before you act YOU'RE the one who could find themselves in jail.

I would think telling the most important man on campus what he had seen would have been enough.
McQueary probably had no idea JoePa would cover for Sandusky raping a child.
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All that reason goes out the window the second a ten year old is involved, come on.
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But he didn't go to someone in power. He went to his dad first and then a whole day later he went to Paterno.

Also no, I'm sorry but, idc if you're signing my check or the 2nd dog...I see you doing some sick twisted **** like that you're either 1. gonna get decked square in the face or 2. Imma call the cops on your ass...in my case prolly both cuz I can get really emotional and impulsive.
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There's no legal precedent for a bystander not doing anything actually getting jail time so I wouldn't put him in jail, but he's just a worthless coward. That's enough.
Clearly you haven't seen the Seinfeld finale. The Good Samaritan Act covers this.
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How could it possibly ruin his career? If anything it would elevate it because he did the right thing and he stepped up to someone who had more power and could have took him down for the heinous acts he was committing. If he really though JoePa would have buried him if he went to the police then he has more than enough ammo to take everyone down.
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McQueary was scared. Not right or wrong, just disappointing.
At least he told someone and I can't blame him for going to his father first.

If Paterno had seen this, you think HE would have told a soul???
Sandusky is JoePa's BFF, or was.
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He's a coward. Anyone that would walk away from that situation is a coward.
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