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Old 04-10-2007, 09:04 PM    (permalink
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I started a speed mock in Fantasy, and someone selected Zach Miller for the Bears. Why do people insist on giving Miller to the Bears?

I like Joe Newton. Scott even describes him as being like Des Clark
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I started a speed mock in Fantasy, and someone selected Zach Miller for the Bears. Why do people insist on giving Miller to the Bears?

I like Joe Newton. Scott even describes him as being like Des Clark
If we're drafting a TE to upgrade and supplement Clark, why would we draft a similar player. Although I don't see the Joe Newton comparison as a very good one. Miller isn't a bad pick, but he isn't a good one either.
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If we're drafting a TE to upgrade and supplement Clark, why would we draft a similar player. Although I don't see the Joe Newton comparison as a very good one. Miller isn't a bad pick, but he isn't a good one either.
I don't think we need to upgrade and supplant Clark. "They" do. Clark can catch and block, and that is what we need - not a Shockey. I would take Newton to compliment and eventually replace Clark.
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After trading for Archuleta I'd have to agree.
I'm not just speaking of Safety here. Cornerback depth is also a concern. I can see us taking a look in later rnds but I wouldn't be shocked if Angelo pulled the trigger 2nd or 3rd rnd. I can see where you guys are coming from though.
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I'm not just speaking of Safety here. Cornerback depth is also a concern. I can see us taking a look in later rnds but I wouldn't be shocked if Angelo pulled the trigger 2nd or 3rd rnd. I can see where you guys are coming from though.
It's a concern, but there are more immediate ones.

Say we resign Tillman and let Vasher walk in '07. They can draft a corner that year in the 1st or 2nd, start Ricky Manning for the first half of the season, and move said rookie (or possibly Danieal Manning) into the starting lineup at that point.

I'm all for drafting to fill future needs, I just think there are more important things to do for right now, and a rookie CB wouldn't even see the field this year.
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I also added Filip Fillipovic to the depth chart, as this clearly shakes things up tremendously in training camp.
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Great posts, everyone.

I agree that LB is a potential problem even with Briggs, but since I have been vocal about getting rid of him that heightens my concern for that position. I also like the WR value at the spots we have right now.
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Bush or Irons in the late 3rd is probably a bit optimistic (though ya never know). All of your values are good, but I would prefer to spend the 1st pick on a playmaker. If we aren't going to trade Briggs I'd rather not use our first pick on an OLB.
agreed. i'm sure it's been beaten to death... the bears are going to plan on him playing. adjust accordingly post draft.

i think benson is gonna be an every down back, peterson spelling him, and i'd like to see them pick up garrett wolfe from NIU. yeah, critically acclaimed as tiny and only a return man. besides, could get him cheap, the willie parker to duce staley method. plays the up return man since no one will kick to hester anymore. niche back. nothing more though.

CB isn't horribly undermanned right now. dante wesley can sub for ricky manning who can sub for vasher. And hopefully d. manning will find a better niche in there. or learn how to play safety by seeing how men can do it and understanding why he blew up many a-times.

i mean, the DB's are the worst part of our defense, and they're still pretty good. I'm really intrigued on how archuleta and brown will work together.

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1) joe staley, OT (if he's still there...)
2) beekman/grubbs, OG
2 (other possibility)) Weedle, S, Utah.
3) Hill/Smith/Taylor, WR, WashSt./USC/Aubern
4) Tim Shaw, OLB, PSU.
5) Garrett Wolfe, already mentioned,
7)Kody Bliss, P, Auburn or Brett Smith, WR, Tenn
7)Applewhite, DE, SD St...

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#2, #1, i think beekman is still slightly better. i dunno. maybe it's just my BC pride that interferes. or i don't watch enough SEC games. probably a combo of both. if staley's taken, i would mind taking either of those in the #1 slot. and weedle in #2.
#2, #2, if #1 doesn't work out and slide #2 up, i'm not 100% sure staley will be at 29. weedle is good player, great upside. i don't think will play man well enough to warrent sliding to cb, but won't be a liablility like D. Manning was. backfield is stable-ish enough to wait till FA to see what's going on if 1&2 work out.
#3, who knows. not i... I see WR round 3, but that's it.
#7, #1, I still see a punter with a big leg in the future for the franchise. maynard is nice. could even probably pick this guy up as a free agent later. possible.


i'm not proud of it, but it doesn't sound half bad to me. but, more importantly i don't think i'd even have a 1 or 2 right (except for maybe weedle). JA hates to throw draft picks on linemen. but it might be a good time to. I keep nagging about solid BC linemen, and then i shoot myself in the foot every time someone brings up marc columbo.
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agreed. i'm sure it's been beaten to death... the bears are going to plan on him playing. adjust accordingly post draft.
I think we need OLB anyway, even if Briggs stays. There potentially is good value at the end of the 1st round for OLB, and Hunter needs some competition. Hunter is a good player, but another OLB to compete and/or replace Briggs later would be worth it. Not to mention, the question of injuries and reserves behind the starters at LB.
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three linebackers are worth taking in the first round.
everything else becomes value bets.

i DOUBT we'll get any of them (timmons, beason, puz) because the high talent pool is so shallow. three linebackers who may make it. drafted by, the bengals, the giants, and either the pats or the steelers (who will crush over timmons his PR skills...) although tomlin might look for a DE/OLB hybrid to span the 3-4/4-3 divide... there's five teams who might look LB first round. maybe six before us (not including the colts). the ones who WILL take a LB are the bengals (uh, what linebackers?), the take the best deal on the table, which won't be puz. I'm saying it'll be Willis or Timmons as the successors to vrabel and bruschi (who i should re-iterate has the best head of hair ever.).

so. if one lands to us. jump on it. i'm doubting it.
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three linebackers are worth taking in the first round.
everything else becomes value bets.


so. if one lands to us. jump on it. i'm doubting it.
I doubt it too, but stranger things have happened in the 1st Rd.
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This is what I wrote in the Mock Draft Live thread about Scott's latest mock...

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If it was between Jarrett and Grubbs for pick 31 for the Bears, I would hope JA would take Jarrett. Ruben Brown has been signed, and both Terrence Metcalf and Roberto Garza are signed long term. And apparently the org. is very high on Tyler Reed who was just drafted last year... OG IS NOT A FIRST ROUND NEED!

If Griffin is there at 37, I don't see how JA could pass him up. Even though they did just get AA and Mike Brown will be returning, I don't think you can pass on a talent like Griffin. And yes, Manning might be moving to CB to either replace Vasher or Tillman, who are both free agents at the end of the year. But, I am not ruling out the possibility of both of them returning.

I have no problem with Quincy Black, but I really think Brandon Jackson is going to be the pick for the Bears in the 3rd if he is there. But I have no problem with Quincy Black in the 3rd. I would say OLB is the biggest need on the team, but there just isn't good value early, and in no way do I think Durant would be worth 31, let alone 37.
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It's a concern, but there are more immediate ones.

Say we resign Tillman and let Vasher walk in '07. They can draft a corner that year in the 1st or 2nd, start Ricky Manning for the first half of the season, and move said rookie (or possibly Danieal Manning) into the starting lineup at that point.

I'm all for drafting to fill future needs, I just think there are more important things to do for right now, and a rookie CB wouldn't even see the field this year.
They would play on dime situations similar to Vasher his rookie year which isn't bad. Vasher got 5 picks that year. I do see where you're going with this. I will say one thing though. If we went O-Line it would probably be the same if not worse. If we got Grubbs chances are he'd ride the pine until next season also unless he blows away the rest of the lineman in training camp. It's not out of the question but his play would be far less than any CB that can easily play in nickel situations. An O-Lineman would sub in from time to time but would be far more limited than any db. OLB would definatelly be a greater need than both if you ask me. WR would be selected simply due to the talent level and time it takes for WR's to mature in the NFL.

What other positions are you thinking of? If I'm off base on this I'd like to know what you're thinking bearfan_51. Feel free to disect it for me.
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Great posts, everyone.

I agree that LB is a potential problem even with Briggs, but since I have been vocal about getting rid of him that heightens my concern for that position. I also like the WR value at the spots we have right now.
Agreed 110%. OLB was a problem even if Briggs decided to play. HH is a band-aid and needed to be replaced anyways. JMO
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They would play on dime situations similar to Vasher his rookie year which isn't bad. Vasher got 5 picks that year. I do see where you're going with this. I will say one thing though. If we went O-Line it would probably be the same if not worse. If we got Grubbs chances are he'd ride the pine until next season also unless he blows away the rest of the lineman in training camp. It's not out of the question but his play would be far less than any CB that can easily play in nickel situations. An O-Lineman would sub in from time to time but would be far more limited than any db. OLB would definatelly be a greater need than both if you ask me. WR would be selected simply due to the talent level and time it takes for WR's to mature in the NFL.

What other positions are you thinking of? If I'm off base on this I'd like to know what you're thinking bearfan_51. Feel free to disect it for me.
that's what i've been saying (albeit elsewhere). that we'd transition from nickle to dime, and that'd further lessen the effect of an MIA briggs and with AA over the top to provide deeper run support.
now... if we were to get a WR... i can see it POSSIBLY happening this way.

briggs, 31, and 37 for 6, 68 and randle el.
i don't like draft pick values but if you do it that way
31+37 = 1150.
6+68 = 1850.
chicago says briggs alone is worth the six.
which would be
31+37+6=2350.
randle el right now... could be traded for a mid second round pick (a la TJ)...
so, 6+68+45=2300...
this solidifies briggs, gives chicago a proven receiver. gets the skins out of the huge contract with randle el, lets snyder throw around even more money with two high draft picks that he can shuffle off for a free agent... and use it to trade up. while the bears trade down and pick up basically anyone they damn well please, like top LB talent, Joe Staley, whomever. They're not looking RB, DT, QB, WR round one, so, everything else is on the table and theirs for the picking. i mean, with all consideration, they can trade down to the G-men, the Texans, or the Fins without too much issue (the g-men might be shaky. but i'm sure they could come to some deal granting more mid-round wishes)

this is what i come up with at four in the morning. whoa. (although this will probably not post till about ten-thirty when my network decides to start working again.)
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Agreed 110%. OLB was a problem even if Briggs decided to play. HH is a band-aid and needed to be replaced anyways. JMO
Hillenmeyer is a solid 2 down player, and the Bears can't afford to pay 3 big linebacker salaries.
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and any first round OLB pick will probably cost as much as hunter does.
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and any first round OLB pick will probably cost as much as hunter does.
this is true as a 1st rnd pick "should" also outperform hunters lowly contributions. No different than a 1st rnd pick for any other position. This is the reason behind drafting them this high. With a 1st rnd pick I'm hoping they can perform as well as if not better than Briggs not Hunter. I'm sure this is what Angelo would "hope" if he decides to go this route also. To me..if you expect a linebacker to perform to HH's level you're not asking much at all. This is a horrible expectation. HH stinks. I would expect a 3rd rounder to surpass this expectation and with Angelo's success of late heck I'd expect a 5th rounder to surpass it.
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51... you should also put in some sort of denotion for rookies. Like + or something.
Thanks. Noted.
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Pelle, I very much doubt we will draft someone in secondary on the first day.
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Nice call 51.
Haha...I also told Smokey it would be a bad idea to draft two secondary guys on the second day. Oh well. We do tend to stockpile secondary players to assist on special teams, and I'm willing to bet that the FO is sick of Dante Welsey's whining about playing time and generally lackluster special teams play.

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