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Old 03-28-2012, 03:52 PM    (permalink
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Wright runs a 4.6 and Jeffrey runs a 4.38. You can never predict what's going to happen during the offseason.
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If you get Alshon of today he's a potential #1 WR. The Alshon of the 2011 season is not. In terms of ability to catch the ball (vertical, tracking, hands, catching away from the body, body control, shielding CBs etc.) I think he's at the top of the class and it's not particularly close. 4.55 at 213 is fine. But it can't get any worse than that.

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Wright runs a 4.6 and Jeffrey runs a 4.38. You can never predict what's going to happen during the offseason.
First of all, if you're comparing pro days, Wright ran a low 4.4. Second of all, Jeffery didn't run 4.38. One guy on twitter said he had him at a 4.38 and people picked up on that. Everybody else had him in the 4.45-4.55 range.
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I read that was off and the first was like a 4.54. 2nd was a 4.47 with a stumble

I wish people would stop posting Jeffrey ran a 4.38. That's just wrong. If he was really that fast he would have run at the combine. And I feel bad for anyone who believes Jeffrey's playing weight is 213#. Right now I look at Jeffrey as a solid #2 WR in the pros. Maybe he shows better than that, maybe not.

The reason he scares me is because you have no idea what kind of condition Alshon is going to be in after his first offseason in the NFL with a fresh wad in his pocket.
He had a great season in 2010, but I still don't think he's anywhere near the talent or pro prospect that AJ Green or Julio Jones were.
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I remember when Hakeem Nicks had conditioning problems.

I'm pretty sure he just won a Super Bowl...
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My question is if he is running 4.5 at 213lbs at his Pro Day why did he play the season at 230lbs plus?

Will he be a 4.5 guy when he is at 230lbs?

In the pre-draft process when he is training every single day and having his meals prepared with millions of dollars on the line, it is pretty easy to lose and keep off the weight.

What happens when he gets paid and no longer has professionals monitoring him every day.

The guy was out of shape during the season when his team mates needed the best from him.

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Not a fan of skilled position players who struggle with weight issues. Saying Mike Williams is a extreme and huge stigma, but are there any WR's who had weight problems that were ultimately successful?


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In the pre-draft process when he is training every single day and having his meals prepared with millions of dollars on the line, it is pretty easy to lose and keep off the weight.

What happens when he gets paid and no longer has professionals monitoring him every day.

The guy was out of shape during the season when his team mates needed the best from him.
This. Its easy to work hard before you get your money, but will he keep working once he is signed? An overweight, out of shape WR just shows a complete lack of commitment. I can understand a big lineman, but not a WR.
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Fat and slow or thin and fast, he's still a Spurrier WR which is scary.
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I remember when Hakeem Nicks had conditioning problems.

I'm pretty sure he just won a Super Bowl...

Yep. Gained 15 pounds from I believe the combine to his proday workout.

Wonder what people labeled him as.
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I wish people would stop posting Jeffrey ran a 4.38. That's just wrong. If he was really that fast he would have run at the combine. And I feel bad for anyone who believes Jeffrey's playing weight is 213#. Right now I look at Jeffrey as a solid #2 WR in the pros. Maybe he shows better than that, maybe not.

The reason he scares me is because you have no idea what kind of condition Alshon is going to be in after his first offseason in the NFL with a fresh wad in his pocket.
He had a great season in 2010, but I still don't think he's anywhere near the talent or pro prospect that AJ Green or Julio Jones were.
You also think Juron Criner is going to be the second WR drafted, forgive me if I don't take your opinion very seriously.

Jeffery is a true #1 in the NFL, assuming he keeps his weight where he needs to be. He absolutely had his way with SEC CBs in 2010 and turning on the tape again, the guy really just needed to get his ass back in shape and where he needs to be. I dont think he plays at 213 either, but he's a 6'3, 225 lb receiver with 4.5 speed who is physical and tracks the vertical ball as well as any receiver in this class. He doesn't run the crisp routes you'd like to see yet, but he shows enough wiggle on tape to suggest he can get there.
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My question is if he is running 4.5 at 213lbs at his Pro Day why did he play the season at 230lbs plus?

Will he be a 4.5 guy when he is at 230lbs?

In the pre-draft process when he is training every single day and having his meals prepared with millions of dollars on the line, it is pretty easy to lose and keep off the weight.

What happens when he gets paid and no longer has professionals monitoring him every day.

The guy was out of shape during the season when his team mates needed the best from him.

Pass.
We're not calling NFL coaches and front office personnel professionals now? If anything, introduction into the NFL guarantees him a professional advantage. I'm sure his diet in the pros will be monitored more heavily then his diet in college was, especially since he'll have access to a plurality of nutritionists, strength and condition coaches, etc. etc. Not that those things wouldn't have been available at SCAR, but I imagine they'll be even more efficient in the NFL. If anything, playing in the NFL should improve his health and conditioning.
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We're not calling NFL coaches and front office personnel professionals now? If anything, introduction into the NFL guarantees him a professional advantage. I'm sure his diet in the pros will be monitored more heavily then his diet in college was, especially since he'll have access to a plurality of nutritionists, strength and condition coaches, etc. etc. Not that those things wouldn't have been available at SCAR, but I imagine they'll be even more efficient in the NFL. If anything, playing in the NFL should improve his health and conditioning.
you would think, but plenty of guys flame out cause they are not dedicated and don't realize its their job now. You have to put in the 9-5 time, its not fun time no more.
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We're not calling NFL coaches and front office personnel professionals now? If anything, introduction into the NFL guarantees him a professional advantage. I'm sure his diet in the pros will be monitored more heavily then his diet in college was, especially since he'll have access to a plurality of nutritionists, strength and condition coaches, etc. etc. Not that those things wouldn't have been available at SCAR, but I imagine they'll be even more efficient in the NFL. If anything, playing in the NFL should improve his health and conditioning.
APS...there have been countless examples of guys who have this type of problem and never do much...***** ass JaMacus Russell and ALbert Haynesworth come to mind.
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You also think Juron Criner is going to be the second WR drafted, forgive me if I don't take your opinion very seriously.

Jeffery is a true #1 in the NFL, assuming he keeps his weight where he needs to be. He absolutely had his way with SEC CBs in 2010 and turning on the tape again, the guy really just needed to get his ass back in shape and where he needs to be. I dont think he plays at 213 either, but he's a 6'3, 225 lb receiver with 4.5 speed who is physical and tracks the vertical ball as well as any receiver in this class. He doesn't run the crisp routes you'd like to see yet, but he shows enough wiggle on tape to suggest he can get there.


I said I thought IF Juron Criner blazed his 40 at the combine, he had a chance to be taken in the first round. You made up the rest about my believing he would be the 2nd WR drafted.

Compared to big WRs like Larry Fitz and Andre Johnson, Jeffery looks stiff with poor body movement and fluidity. He's not sudden or quick and I don't see him being able to separate in the pros, or ever become a great route runner.

Jeffery didn't only have a down year in 2011, many times he just wasn't open.

I think Alshon is a starter on the next level, but I don't see a future 'star'.
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I said I thought IF Juron Criner blazed his 40 at the combine, he had a chance to be taken in the first round. You made up the rest about my believing he would be the 2nd WR drafted.

Compared to big WRs like Larry Fitz and Andre Johnson, Jeffery looks stiff with poor body movement and fluidity. He's not sudden or quick and I don't see him being able to separate in the pros, or ever become a great route runner.

Jeffery didn't only have a down year in 2011, many times he just wasn't open.

I think Alshon is a starter on the next level, but I don't see a future 'star'.
I disagree with this. Jeffery to me looks smooth running his routes and doesn't look stiff at all. Michael Floyd is the receiver I would say looks stiff.
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Yep. Gained 15 pounds from I believe the combine to his proday workout.

Wonder what people labeled him as.
Yeap. Never, ever played overweight at North Carolina

He had a bad hamstring. Couldn't even condition himself during the offseason, luckily for the Giants that is
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He had a great season in 2010, but I still don't think he's anywhere near the talent or pro prospect that AJ Green or Julio Jones were.
Neither were a ton of elite WR's in the NFL right now, don't see what that has to do with anything. Those are special players for a reason, and that's because you don't have guys coming a long like them all the time.
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[quote=LonghornsLegend;2925497]Neither were a ton of elite WR's in the NFL right now, don't see what that has to do with anything. Those are special players for a reason, and that's because you don't have guys coming a long like them all the time.[/QUOTE

In 2010, Jeffery was by far the more dominant WR among the three and looked like the better pro prospect by the end of the season.

To say that Jeffery 'fell off' in 2011 is an understatement. Forget SC's issues at QB, Alshon just didn't look like the same athlete he was in 2010, much less the same WR.
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I don't see Jefferry as a number 1 WR in the nfl. I don't think he'll consistently get enough separation against NFL DB's.
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Anyone who needs to drop that much weight while playing a skill position has be seriously questioned about his motivation and passion for the game. Add that to an inability to separate and I think he'll be pretty limited as a pro. I'm not buying in.
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I think at this point it all comes down to how he interviews with teams.

I also think as a fan, your level of enthusiasm about him being drafted by your team should probably be equal to the level of trust you have in that team's ability to judge character.

Only one team needs to fall in love with him. We'll see if one does.

Anybody want to weigh in on the guy's character? (Pun intended, many apologies) I mean from watching him in interviews or perhaps even having met him, not based solely on the weight concern. Just thought the topic could use another angle... y'know, one that resembles something other than a dead horse.
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APS...there have been countless examples of guys who have this type of problem and never do much...***** ass JaMacus Russell and ALbert Haynesworth come to mind.
Haynesworth was the best DT in the NFL for at least one season, and pretty damn good until the Redskins' stupid decision to pay him.
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Yeap. Never, ever played overweight at North Carolina

He had a bad hamstring. Couldn't even condition himself during the offseason, luckily for the Giants that is
This, ran the 40 and later injured his hamstring and didn't finish drills. The guy put on 10 lbs of weight in like ten days which is odd but it didn't happen from being lazy.

Jeffery on the other hand only thought it necessary to lose weight when it is threatening his chance to make a pay check (forget the regular season, I'll just lose weight for the evaluation process).

I think the talks of guys like Russel and Fat Albert are good comparisons as I have serious concerns of what this guy will do once he gets his paycheck.
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Alshon does play hard once he gets onto the field. If you throw him the football he's going fight for it.

His actual game isn't 'soft'.
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As I stated on another post, for what it is worth, NFL Network on Path to the Draft, stated that only 3 WR's were 1st round talents and guaranteed to be picked in round 1. Blackmon, Floyd and Hill. Wright had a slight chance to go that high but is considered a slot receiver and more like to see round 2. Jeffery is strictly a 2nd round talent and is being compared to Mike Williams, the USC WR who Matt Millen drafted in round 1, who was a total flop till 2 years ago when he made a dramatic return to pro football and had an OK season.
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