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Default The Montana/Brady debate. It's real now.

Just to say first and foremost I appreciate both players and what they've accomplished. With this victory I do think they are on the same level for greatest quarterback of all time. There are tons of factors and all in all, it depends how you look at it. But these two definitely stand alone together. If Brady wins another one, he'll surpass Joe.
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It was good to see Brady finally win a SB with a game winning drive ending in a TD throw.

That last NE drive did remind me of Montana.
I prefer Montana, but nevertheless both Brady and Joe Cool are peer QBs. Both have those similar traits and are unflappable under the brightest lights.

You see how Brady played tonight and know why IMO Peyton is a couple notches below him in terms of pure greatness.

I just don't see Peyton doing what Brady did against a suffocating Seattle D.
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Let me know when Brady wins one without the assistance of a scandal.
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To me the debate is over. statistically brady is better raw and even comparative statistics. Brady not only won 4 but made it to the super bowl 2 times more. Add to that the disadvantage of salary cap era football it seems like a no brainer.
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I don't condone cheating, but underinflating a football is about on par with wearing cleats that are a quarter inch too long. You don't win divisions or Lombardis because the football is underinflated.

Brady had one of the better games of his playoff career and nobody but the NFL had access to those footballs, so basically the drama over the ball deflation is being blown way out of proportion.
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Brady accomplished more in a tougher era to do it.

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Deflategate, Spygate, general underhanded sh*t pulled by the Pats over the years. I'm not gonna praise a single member of that organization.
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Tougher to keep guys, but the 1980s you had squads that kept together probowl players for 7-8 years on both sides of the football. Also the rule changes in today's game favor the offense, unlike in Montana's day.

QBs got absolutely crushed with head shots when Montana played.
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Not sure about that. Montana was getting knocked around by Lawrence Taylor and Rickey Jackson and didn't have the kind of protection quarterbacks get from the NFL now.

I'd say tougher on paper in terms of salary cap era and free agency. At the same time, while the 49ers got to keep a lot of their players year after year, so did their competition.
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Super Bowls aside, I think that the answer is Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Johnny Unitas, and Otto Graham -- in no particular order.
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You forgot Elway. I've always considered Elway GOAT with Marino 1B or tight 2nd.
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To win a single SB game, there's no way that's the top 5 NFL QBs in league history.

Brady knows how to close things out in important games neither Peyton nor Marino could even imagine.
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1A. Johnny Unitas
1B. Joe Montana
1C. Peyton Manning
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Yeah. Rings aside. A lot of my favorite quarterbacks never won a ring. Moon, McNair, Fouts, Brunell.
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I'm not a Pats fan by a long shot, but I'm so glad he shut up the Legion of Boo-boo.

Come on, give Brady his due. The man led this franchise to SIX SUPERBOWLS. He won four.
All these other QBs need to fall back, except maybe Montana, Elway and a couple others.
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Come on, give Brady his due. The man led this franchise to SIX SUPERBOWLS. He won four.
All these other QBs need to fall back, except maybe Montana, Elway and a couple others.
Legion of boo boo. Classic.
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Yeah except Jerry Rice would have a salary that is a lion share of the salary cap after his rookie contract. You have to pay Montana at some point. You get to bring in Steve Young. How do you get half that roster together?

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Let me know when Brady wins one without the assistance of a scandal.
Your tears in these threads. Let me taste them.

On note, Idk about better than Montana, but those last two drives by Brady were ******* masterfully done.
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To me the debate is over. statistically brady is better raw and even comparative statistics. Brady not only won 4 but made it to the super bowl 2 times more. Add to that the disadvantage of salary cap era football it seems like a no brainer.
I agree, IMO, Brady is the greatest of all time. 6 SB is an amazing feat in the FA era where NE only has 2 players left from his first 3 wins. I take my hat off to him. I'm not a NE fan and at my age, I got to see all the QB's from the early 50's till now and this last win sealed the title for Brady.
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Brady won four SB's, but in most of NE's 6 SB appearances in the Brady-Belichick era, a play or two either way could have made a big difference.

Tonight is an example. If Kearse makes that catch in the third quarter, or if the Hawks rush up the middle on 3rd and 14 instead of letting Brady step up in a completely clean pocket, the Hawks probably win.

I don't judge QB's solely on the postseason (because it is a team game), but if you want to play this game, Montana and Bradshaw were 4-0 in Super Bowls.

Montana won two of his decisively. And, Bradshaw had more big-time memorable passes in his SB wins than Brady had, like the passes to Swann in SB X and the passes to Swann and Stallworth in XIV.
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Brady won four SB's, but in most of NE's 6 SB appearances in the Brady-Belichick era, a play or two either way could have made a big difference.

Tonight is an example. If Kearse makes that catch in the third quarter, or if the Hawks rush up the middle on 3rd and 14 instead of letting Brady step up in a completely clean pocket, the Hawks probably win.

I don't judge QB's solely on the postseason (because it is a team game), but if you want to play this game, Montana and Bradshaw were 4-0 in Super Bowls.

Montana won two of his decisively. And, Bradshaw had more big-time memorable passes in his SB wins than Brady had, like the passes to Swann in SB X and the passes to Swann and Stallworth in XIV.
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