The Coaching Change Thread - Page 48

WCH · 01-24-2012, 07:30 PM

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Mike McCoy must just not be living right. He withdrew his name from consideration for the Raiders HC gig, supposedly because he thought that he was the front-runner for the Dolphins gig. Then, when Miami went with Joe Philbin, McCoy allegedly believed that it was because he wasn't interested in retaining Bowles. Today, Philbin apparently told Bowles to take a hike.

McCoy sort of comes out of this looking like a moron. He would have been better off just telling the Raiders that he didn't want to work for them, and leaving it at that.

VernonLawson89 · 01-24-2012, 07:44 PM

It's Official Dennis Allen is Raiders new HC

BeerBaron · 01-24-2012, 07:56 PM

Robbing a division rival is a pretty good move as long as he was at least on par with the other candidates.

bucfan12 · 01-24-2012, 09:57 PM

Mike Zimmer currently not in Mobile, Alabama. Rumors swirling he's in Tampa for 2nd interview.

Haven't been confirmed by Shefter, but one has to wonder. It has been predicted the Bucs to have a coach in place by the end of the week, and apparently there goal was Tuesday (today). But Since Kelly spurned them, my guess is Friday.

Sherman, Zimmer, and probably Chudzinski will be the final 3 candidates to interview for the job.

nobodyinparticular · 01-24-2012, 10:50 PM

I think I can get behind this Allen hiring. I will continue to hold judgment til I see the coordinators.

Punisher · 01-24-2012, 11:50 PM

Raiders fans should be happy, Allen is a great coach and motivator.

:( ugh

Pat Sims 90 · 01-25-2012, 06:00 AM

According to Tampa Bay Times signs point to Mike Sherman as Tampa Bay next HC.

WCH · 01-25-2012, 06:11 AM

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According to Tampa Bay Times signs point to Mike Sherman as Tampa Bay next HC.

In other news; the Falcons, Panthers, and Saints are organizing a party to celebrate Mike Sherman's return to the NFL.

Caddy · 01-25-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90

According to Tampa Bay Times signs point to Mike Sherman as Tampa Bay next HC.

They've pointed to Sherman the whole time...

BeerBaron · 01-25-2012, 07:04 AM

At least Sherman is only the 2nd worst possible choice out of the names associated with them. Better than...ugh...ah....Chilly.

Caddy · 01-25-2012, 07:11 AM

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At least Sherman is only the 2nd worst possible choice out of the names associated with them. Better than...ugh...ah....Chilly.

I will take Sherman every day of the week over that moron Brad Childress.

SuperPacker · 01-25-2012, 07:15 AM

Brad Childress was a decent coach...

BeerBaron · 01-25-2012, 07:17 AM

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I will take Sherman every day of the week over that moron Brad Childress.

Anyone would take Dumb over Dumber...doesn't make it a good hire.

I just don't get it. He gets fired from the NFL and goes down to college...a lot of coaches do that to recover their coaching stock, fine. But Sherman also got fired there. It's not like Pete Carroll getting a 2nd chance in the NFL after being a good college head coach. Sherman sucked.

So...Sherman gets another shot in the NFL. It sounds like a cheap desperation hire and it's going to doom your team to another 2-4 years of sucking.

SuperPacker · 01-25-2012, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Anyone would take Dumb over Dumber...doesn't make it a good hire.

I just don't get it. He gets fired from the NFL and goes down to college...a lot of coaches do that to recover their coaching stock, fine. But Sherman also got fired there. It's not like Pete Carroll getting a 2nd chance in the NFL after being a good college head coach. Sherman sucked.

So...Sherman gets another shot in the NFL. It sounds like a cheap desperation hire and it's going to doom your team to another 2-4 years of sucking.

I agree, really dont like the hire. I dont think the players will buy into what he's going to bring to the table.

BeerBaron · 01-25-2012, 07:23 AM

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I agree, really dont like the hire. I dont think the players will buy into what he's going to bring to the table.

The players aren't that good anyway. The only ones who weren't badly regressing last year were the ones who were already lousy.

If you caught any of their late season games, you saw an absolutely terrible team taking the field. They were just all around horrible. Couldn't move the ball, couldn't stop anyone from moving the ball...terrible.

Sherman won't fix that.

bucfan12 · 01-25-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90

According to Tampa Bay Times signs point to Mike Sherman as Tampa Bay next HC.

What you did not report is that the St. Petersburgh Times predicts this because he's the only "Known" candidate to have a second interview.

I'm honestly not listening to anything the media says because they're just guessing to this point what the Bucs will do.

I remember 2 weeks ago, they all said Sherman was expected to be hired soon, and they came out of the blue with Chip Kelly, who'm no one, not even Shefter, knew interviewed for the job.

The way the Glazers operate, they do not reveal there intentions to the media.

For example: They announce Sherman will get an interview, but the true finalists may not be announced til a HC is hired.

Caddy · 01-25-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Anyone would take Dumb over Dumber...doesn't make it a good hire.

I just don't get it. He gets fired from the NFL and goes down to college...a lot of coaches do that to recover their coaching stock, fine. But Sherman also got fired there. It's not like Pete Carroll getting a 2nd chance in the NFL after being a good college head coach. Sherman sucked.

So...Sherman gets another shot in the NFL. It sounds like a cheap desperation hire and it's going to doom your team to another 2-4 years of sucking.

If the reports about the Bucs offering Kelly 6 million a year are to be believed, I don't think they are going cheap for the sake of cheap.

SuperPacker · 01-25-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

The players aren't that good anyway. The only ones who weren't badly regressing last year were the ones who were already lousy.

If you caught any of their late season games, you saw an absolutely terrible team taking the field. They were just all around horrible. Couldn't move the ball, couldn't stop anyone from moving the ball...terrible.

Sherman won't fix that.

Yeah lol this team is pretty s***! But Sherman isn't going to add anything to this team and i cant see them improving. I think in a few years we could be saying Sherman is worse than Childress.

bucfan12 · 01-25-2012, 07:28 AM

I still don't understand why they would use Sherman as there fall back option when they wanted Chip Kelly.

He;s the complete oppositte if kelly was what they're looking for. If anything, they should hire Rob Chudzinski if they're looking for a creative offensive min.d

BeerBaron · 01-25-2012, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

If the reports about the Bucs offering Kelly 6 million a year are to be believed, I don't think they are going cheap for the sake of cheap.

...IF they are to be believed. He may have been the one guy they were willing to pay more to perhaps.

But teams generally don't pick through the garbage if they're willing to spend a bit more. I bet whoever they do hire is a bottom 10 paid head coach.

bucfan12 · 01-25-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

The players aren't that good anyway. The only ones who weren't badly regressing last year were the ones who were already lousy.

If you caught any of their late season games, you saw an absolutely terrible team taking the field. They were just all around horrible. Couldn't move the ball, couldn't stop anyone from moving the ball...terrible.

Sherman won't fix that.

The Bucs were a young team, the youngest in the NFL, that had no guidence nor veteran leadership.

To say there talent isn't there is a bit over the top. They needed guidance, coaching, and leadership on that team.

I compare the Bucs similar to the 49ers of 2009-2010. The talent is there, but the leadership was poor, in terms of coaching staff.

They need the right coach, and add a couple vets, and we'll see an improvement.

SuperPacker · 01-25-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

The Bucs were a young team, the youngest in the NFL, that had no guidence nor veteran leadership.

To say there talent isn't there is a bit over the top. They needed guidance, coaching, and leadership on that team.

I compare the Bucs similar to the 49ers of 2009-2010. The talent is there, but the leadership was poor, in terms of coaching staff.

They need the right coach, and add a couple vets, and we'll see an improvement.

And the Packers were the second youngest. Youth isn't an excuse for being crap.

BeerBaron · 01-25-2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

I still don't understand why they would use Sherman as there fall back option when they wanted Chip Kelly.

He;s the complete oppositte if kelly was what they're looking for. If anything, they should hire Rob Chudzinski if they're looking for a creative offensive min.d

Ehhhhh....I don't know.

Does he get to bring Cam Newton with him? If so then **** yeah, hire that man. But Chudz track record the last few years goes: One year in Cleveland where Derek Anderson made a deal with the devil, another year in Cleveland where everyone was lousy and he got fired, a few years as the Chargers TE coach and one year last year where he got Cam Newton.

I'd want to see more out of him personally. He did a great job of helping to mask some of Newton's flaws and take advantage of his strengths, but I'd like to see him continue with Newton's development a little while longer.

I wouldnt' be confident in hiring him as a head coach after essentially one and a half good years in the last 5.

BeerBaron · 01-25-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

The Bucs were a young team, the youngest in the NFL, that had no guidence nor veteran leadership.

To say there talent isn't there is a bit over the top. They needed guidance, coaching, and leadership on that team.

I compare the Bucs similar to the 49ers of 2009-2010. The talent is there, but the leadership was poor, in terms of coaching staff.

They need the right coach, and add a couple vets, and we'll see an improvement.

Yeah...no.

The 49ers had basically all 1st and 2nd round picks on the o-line, stud defenders in Justin Smith, Willis, Bowman, etc. Vernon Davis and Frank Gore on offense.

The potential was super evident and Harbaugh was a GREAT coaching hire to unlock it.

The Bucs have...none...of that. You have McCoy returning from injury, Clayborn was alright, but on defense...not a whole lot else worth a god damn. Offensively, EVERYONE took at least two steps back.

You severely overrated the talent on your team to compare it to the 49ers.

bucfan12 · 01-25-2012, 07:47 AM

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Yeah...no.

The 49ers had basically all 1st and 2nd round picks on the o-line, stud defenders in Justin Smith, Willis, Bowman, etc. Vernon Davis and Frank Gore on offense.

The potential was super evident and Harbaugh was a GREAT coaching hire to unlock it.

The Bucs have...none...of that. You have McCoy returning from injury, Clayborn was alright, but on defense...not a whole lot else worth a god damn. Offensively, EVERYONE took at least two steps back.

You severely overrated the talent on your team to compare it to the 49ers.

The two guys you just mentioned were 1st and 2nd year players. It's pointless to think these guys turn into something over night.

The Bucs do have holes to fix, but adding veterans, with 55 million in cap space, new coach and staff, and top 5 draft pick in every round? I'd say they are in good shape to continue there rebuilding process.

If you took one look at the coaching staff last year, none of them caught on anywhere else in the NFL, besides Greg Olson, who is with Jacksonville, which has put together the worst staff I've ever seen since the Bucs in 09