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Old 12-30-2011, 08:51 AM    (permalink
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So my take is that Caldwell, Turner, Morris and Spagnuoli join the unemployed list.


St Louis - Gruden
San Diego - Cowher
Miami - Fisher
KC - Crennel
Jacksonville - Steve Spagnuolo
Indy - Winston Moss
Tampa - Norv Turner
Tampa isn't going to interview Norv for anything more than as an OC. Highly doubt Gene Smith hires Spags, more likely they target an offensive coach.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:51 AM    (permalink
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My best guess at this point in time :

St.Louis - Jeff Fisher

Tampa - Mike Zimmer

Indy - Tom Clements

Jacksonville - Mike Mularkey

San Diego - Bill Cowher

Kansas City - Romeo Crennel

Miami - Brian Billick
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So my take is that Caldwell, Turner, Morris and Spagnuoli join the unemployed list.


St Louis - Gruden
San Diego - Cowher
Miami - Fisher
KC - Crennel
Jacksonville - Steve Spagnuolo
Indy - Winston Moss
Tampa - Norv Turner
I would love Winston Moss especially because that would probably mean Reggie McKenzie was the new GM.
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Spags better end up on the Giants next season as DC or HC. If not him then it better be because we hired Zimmer to be our HC.
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Chudzinski would be an excellent fit for Tampa Bay.
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Spags better end up on the Giants next season as DC or HC. If not him then it better be because we hired Zimmer to be our HC.
He's going to philly :)
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He's taking the year off.
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Spags better end up on the Giants next season as DC or HC. If not him then it better be because we hired Zimmer to be our HC.
If we make the playoffs, then we have Fewell! He has been better and simplified things... in week like 16, lol.
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I've been reading on Twitter that as many as five coaches could be fired today. Spags has already been fired, so I'm quite curious to find out who the others may be. Jim Caldwell is likely out but the others aren't as clear. Reid, Shannahan, Gailey, and Garrett could also be on the way out. My guess is Reid retires, Gailey is fired because of his teams terrible collapse, and Garrett is fired after just one season. Add in the firings of Del Rio, Sparano, Morris, Turner, and Haley and there could be as many as ten head coaching openings by the end of the day.
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I've been reading on Twitter that as many as five coaches could be fired today. Spags has already been fired, so I'm quite curious to find out who the others may be. Jim Caldwell is likely out but the others aren't as clear. Reid, Shannahan, Gailey, and Garrett could also be on the way out. My guess is Reid retires, Gailey is fired because of his teams terrible collapse, and Garrett is fired after just one season. Add in the firings of Del Rio, Sparano, Morris, Turner, and Haley and there could be as many as ten head coaching openings by the end of the day.

Five coaches today?

Caldwell, Morris, Norv, Reid, I can't think of a 5th
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Spanos stated he needs a few days to think about AJ and Norv's future, fml.
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ROFL.

What "thinking"? They both failed miserably.

Norv had one of the most talented teams in the NFL for years and won nothing...and has missed the playoffs for a second year in a row.

AJ failed to retain the correct players or replace them adequately as they left, and is responsible for keeping Norv around so long. Plus the guy got way too much credit in the first place for having lucked into both the Vick and Manning trades.
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I would love Winston Moss especially because that would probably mean Reggie McKenzie was the new GM.
I'd almost bet the farm that McKenzie goes to Oakland and takes Eliot Wolf with him. The philosophical ties between the two franchises are really strong (Ron Wolf basically tried to bring Oakland's philosophy to Green Bay), and the Herock/Wolf connection probably can't be overstated, and Ken Herock is reportedly leading Oakland's GM search.

Shaun Herock (Ken's son, and one of Green Bay's top scouts) also seems like an obvious person to jump to Oakland in this scenario.

I'm actually bracing for Oakland to pillage Green Bay's front office this offseason. It could look something like this:

General Manager: Reggie McKenzie
Vice President of Football Operations: Eliot Wolf
Director of College Scouting: Shaun Herock

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Honestly, if Steve Spagnuolo decides to coach next year, it will be very interesting to see where he lands. I've got to believe the Eagles and Giants are the two biggest candidates for his services at the moment, given his history with both franchises and their disappointing defensive situations. Either way, the personnel will be there for him to work his magic right away. They've each got a stable of productive pass rushers and corners that thrive in press man. He's a perfect fit for the style of defense New York and Philadelphia should be employing. And I truly believe that either defense would experience a dramatic turnaround under Spagnuolo even if the personnel remained the same. He's that good at dialing up an attacking defense and would be a big-time addition for both clubs.

Along those lines, I think the team that brings Norv Turner into the fold as an offensive coordinator is getting a steal. The man is an absolutely abysmal head coach and motivator, but his track record as a coordinator speaks for itself. He's got a cutting-edge football mind and his offense's just move the ball. He doesn't have the sexiest schemes on the whiteboard, but they're incredibly effective and battle-tested on the field. He's shown he can stay unpredictable when calling the plays and his formation variation is among the best in all of football. He will run the same exact play out of twelve different formations or run twelve different plays out of the same exact formation. He doesn't pull the ripcord on the running game at the first sign of trouble either like so many of his peers. Plus, he's very quarterback-friendly and his tutelage has benefited plenty of young trigger-men.

If I were a team struggling on one side of the ball, these two would be among the first people I called. Coordinators can be impact additions themselves. Just ask Houston about Wade Phillips.
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Spags needs to replace Manusky in SD.
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I would love nothing more then for the Ravens to replace Cam Cameron with Norv Turner. Dear god, imagine Ray Rice in Norv's scheme.
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Fraizer did a lousy job this season and probably deserves it. But since it was his first full season Im pretty sure he is safe. But I do believe all the coordinators will be gone and they will clean house there.
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Try and fleece the Jags into taking Cameron off your hands. They're already interviewing Mularkey...so it's clear they're interested in "offensive geniuses" as their next head coach.
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Raheem Morris fired. They hired a guy at 32 years old and gave him 3 years. The NFL is full of morons.
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I'd be so excited to see either of those guys in Jax. I can just see the headlines in Jacksonville...

"Jags lose by 45, Cameron defends decision to give MJD 6 carries in loss"

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Raheem Morris fired. They hired a guy at 32 years old and gave him 3 years. The NFL is full of morons.
The Bucs were the worst team in football over the last 9 games or so. Completely dysfunctional on all sides of the ball and at all levels.

It's completely deserved. He needs to go somewhere else and coordinate just a defense for a while to get his feet back under him. I also think he'd make for a much better college head coach.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:04 AM    (permalink
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The Bucs were the worst team in football over the last 9 games or so. Completely dysfunctional on all sides of the ball and at all levels.

It's completely deserved. He needs to go somewhere else and coordinate just a defense for a while to get his feet back under him. I also think he'd make for a much better college head coach.
I'm not questioning how deserved it is, but let's consider a few things:

-Morris was 32 when he was hired.
-He had no head coaching experience at any level, ever.
-He had no NFL coordinating experience.

So to look at the team three years out and think "we'll that didn't work" I think is absurdly short-sighted. If you expected that quick of a turnaround, the absolutely last thing you should do is hire a totally green coach who is going to have to learn on the job.
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I think they panicked when they realized how hot of a candidate he was becoming at the time.

They wanted him to replace Monte Kiffin as defensive coordinator, but it was Denver who I think interviewed him for the HC job (that went to McD) so they made a panic move (it was several weeks into January) and made him their own head coach after firing Gruden.
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How much does coaching changes really affect a quarterbacks development? Always heard how Alex Smith has suffered from multiple offensive coordinators and Bradford might get the same treatment. Is there any truth to it or is it just a cop out?
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I think they panicked when they realized how hot of a candidate he was becoming at the time.

They wanted him to replace Monte Kiffin as defensive coordinator, but it was Denver who I think interviewed him for the HC job (that went to McD) so they made a panic move (it was several weeks into January) and made him their own head coach after firing Gruden.
Yes it was Denver that interviewed him back then. He made the final cut and it was down to McDaniels and Raheem Morris. Then the Bucs started fielding calls to request an interview for him from the Rams as well.

The Bucs then got fed up with Gruden's inability to build a team throuhg the draft and free agency and only stock piled veterans and had no plan. So they rushed Morris before he was even a Def. Coordinator and it showed he had no idea what he was doing.

It worked last year because they were winning and feeding off of it. Several players in the lockeroom said they had no veteran leadership and didn't handle a losing streak very well and things collapsed.
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