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Old 03-26-2007, 08:57 PM    (permalink
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Do the Bills free up cap space or lose some, because from the looks of most o the info here, it looks as thought hey lose space in their cap.
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RT Langston Walker-->Will make you cuss at him like a sailor.........seriously, you may not believe this, but he was actually WORSE than Gallery.
He might suck he might not. Everyone sucked on their O-Line you never know he might be good with some good coaching (Jim McNally)
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He might suck he might not. Everyone sucked on their O-Line you never know he might be good with some good coaching (Jim McNally)
The dude's been in the league for years, and he's been beat like a drum consistently ever since he's been a starter........Trust me, he's a turnstile, and it won't be long before they try him at guard.
The bad thing is he wasn't that much better there either.
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Well it appears it is a conditional 7th rounder. My question is what are the conditions and just how high can this conditional pick go if he meets all the requirements....Hopefully we can at least get a 6th out of this with the high end being a 5th.
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Ellison WILLIS and Crowell sounds nice...
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Ellison WILLIS and Crowell sounds nice...
Granted he's available at 12...
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I like what the Bills are doing, they have a good young squad to build around and they are freeing up cap space. All the guys they got rid of were either old or disgruntled, so they didn't lose much.
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The dude's been in the league for years, and he's been beat like a drum consistently ever since he's been a starter........Trust me, he's a turnstile, and it won't be long before they try him at guard.
The bad thing is he wasn't that much better there either.
Like I said it could pan out and it might not pan out. Time will tell
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I like this trade for both teams.

The Eagles pick up a veteran LB to cover for their young guys who can't be relied on yet.

The Bills are obviously in rebuilding mode so they get a conditional draft pick out of it.

And both teams traded trash as far as Walker and Holcomb are concerned. Neither team was probably going to keep either player.
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Not bad of a deal. At best your loosing camp fodder with that 7th or 8th round pick. Might as well make it somewhat useful.
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Granted he's available at 12...
Yea those damn 9er's got me worried....hopefully they go Carricker
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I see them going Carriker or Alan Branch, but that's just me. I think the Bills biggest worry is the Lions because I really think if they get a favorable deal to trade down then Wills will be their selection.
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A much needed move for both teams but I'm not sure I can crown a winner yet; it all depends on if Spikes can recover
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So basically Bills traded Spikes for Walker.....

I would have rathered a 5th round pick over that lazy lump.
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A much needed move for both teams but I'm not sure I can crown a winner yet; it all depends on if Spikes can recover
True Walker could improve in Buffalo, but the Eagles can't really lose here. Not saying that Buffalo won't benefit though. We got rid of a guy we were going to try to move anyway, or end up cutting. If we didn't deal him now we probably would have ended up trading him for a second day draft pick 4th or 5th round on draft day. Getting rid of him frees up the starting job at DT so Bunkley can step in, so honestly I am glad Walkers gone, we got someone for it who probably isn't a bigger gamble than most of the second day draft picks.
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LMAO. Spike is just an average player now with his torn Achilles. He is nothing special. He is just an average player, so ehhh, whatever. It is a good DEAL for the Eagles, but not like it really makes there team any better.

I want to see how many Eagles fans come and start bragging about it and saying he is a pro-bowler and makes them so much better.
Wooooowwwww.. That's alot of Red Blocks..

Good deal for the Eagles. Holcomb is a pretty adequate and available back-up. Patterson is going to step up in the #1 spot for Philly. Spikes can play just about anywhere amongst the LBs. The deal wasn't exactly a step forward for the Bills.. But, I guess
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well i give the bills this, they did open up alot of space, and it may be a down year, but im pretty sure they are reloading to go spending crazy next off-season, im sure they will have the money to do it, although i think they could of gotten a little more/higher draft picks for all the players they traded....


i mean takeo spikes for a 7th rder? he's not what he used to be, but your basically making the eagles better, so you have the upper hand, id like to think he could tender a 5th maybe considering he still has pro bowl caliber...


either way good job for the eagles, i still disagree with scott and say stallworth would do them better with brown then curtis, but overall they have done a nice job so far, they probably will be the front runner for the division
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The Bills acquired a reasonably cheap veteran DT presence in Walker who, along with Tripplett, can help mold the young DTs they have in McCargo and Williams. The Eagles acquired TKO who, if healthy, is a great veteran LB on any roster for the two years remaining on his somewhat pricey contract.

I'd probably give the edge to the Eagles, because of how much I like TKO, but this trade likely works out well for both teams in the long run.
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What the hell? Darwin Walker is a bum.
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My take on the deal:

In terms of "trade value", I think the Eagles come out ahead. Takeo Spikes is still a decent-solid LB, and Holcomb is a serviceable backup. Walker's a decent tackle, and eh, while there's always a chance the pick brings forth a Marques Colston (or heck, getting a Jim Finn would be fine), the betting money is against that.

Now, for the two teams -

Let's not be too hasty to knock the Bills on this deal. I think it's a prudent move. There seems to be an idea that dealing veteran "leaders" off is deterimental. While I'm sure it hurts, all in all, I don't see it as a big deal. Teams deal with it, guys step up. That's the nature of it.

From a personnel perspective, I think Walker is a nice fit in a rotation. He'll be able to anchor against the run a bit better than some of their current guys, which should help the overall defense. This likely removes DT as a top focus for them. I think moving Holcomb out is a good thing. Why? Outside of the lack of fit, Holcomb was a veteran that had been in the locker room for awhile. He had some support, due to previous seasons. Losman has finally taken the reigns, and getting another backup, someone with less locker room traction, makes more sense. Losing Holcomb won't hurt their overall success.

So, the big issue is at LB? For all their losses, their LB'ing situation is not that bad. Ellison made a positive impression, and Crowell will have the weak or mike spot. Yes, they need bodies, but the situation isn't that bad, and an Ellison/Crowell/SLB trio might be fine. Now that being said, I don't see them going into the year with that situation, and they'll find someone at weak or mike. I'm just trying to make the point that, despite the losses, they aren't in dire straits at the spot.

One last area for the Bills involves the draft. It does seem that for their first rounder, while I think they should go Lynch, that they are perhaps leaning more LB there, with Willis and potentially, Posluszny, working their way up. While I don't like it, there seems to be a growing thought that Willis could go much earlier, so I wouldn't lock in Willis and Buffalo just yet.

The Eagles get an intriguing return. Holcomb is eh ... provides depth and someone that can be a reliever, perhaps a better relief option than Feeley. But this deal is about Walker and it's about Spikes. Takeo potentially gives them a solid SLB, buying time for Chris Gocong to develop. He adds leadership, but perhaps more importantly, he adds some size.

The loss of Walker forces Bunkley, or someone, to step up. Their DL's POA play last year wasn't pretty and hurt the back 7. That said, Walker was likely being phased out anyways, and it wouldn't surprise anyone in the least to see them add a couple DL talents in this draft anyways.

For the draft, I think this takes LB off the board for them in the first round. The focus goes on the DL and S now as the top two areas. Their MO has always been to add LB talent later, and with Spikes, Gocong, Trotter, Gaither, McCoy in tow, I think LB is off the board in the first.
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As do I. We are either going to go safety (major need) or DE, CB, or TE if we are unable to sign LJ next year. We may still go LB if a guy falls or the main safeties are off the board.
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No, Eagles fans are the MEANEST in the world... They believe the reason Bentley tore his knee up was karma for not signing with the Eagles... Having said that I love their forums, they love football as much as any city in America.
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Who ever said that about Bentley? Anyone who says or believes that is a moron and a douche. I would slap any person who said that ever.
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LMAO. Spike is just an average player now with his torn Achilles. He is nothing special. He is just an average player, so ehhh, whatever. It is a good DEAL for the Eagles, but not like it really makes there team any better.

I want to see how many Eagles fans come and start bragging about it and saying he is a pro-bowler and makes them so much better.
TNew, notice that none of what you predicted came true. No one came on this thread or this forum and started bragging about how Spikes is a Pro Bowler, etc. Spikes WAS an all-pro talent prior to his Achilles injury. He had a decent year last season, but he was still recovering, and the Bills DLine was not fantastic. Unfortunately, you could also argue that the Eagles have a similar situation with their front 4. If they can get a bigger NT type player to shield the LB's, the Spikes-Trotter-Gaither combo can flow to the ball and make stuff happen. That is all.
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I like the trade, I think the Eagles got the better end of the deal.
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