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Old 01-03-2012, 11:21 AM    (permalink
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Why would St Louis or Minnesota take him over a stud LT?
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Why would St Louis or Minnesota take him over a stud LT?


That's the big debate in St.Louis. Some feel a #1 type WR will cause the blockers to not have to block as long and have less coverage sacks, and some feel a better line will help the receivers get open.
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Why would St Louis or Minnesota take him over a stud LT?


Some feel that he's only 295 lbs and isn't a sure thing. The Rams were burned once on a LT at the #2 pick a few years ago so some are reluctant.

I think you can't wrong with either Kalil or Blackmon.
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Holt and Bruce did pretty well for not being burners. They led the greatest offense in the history of the NFL. 500+ points 3 straight years and have a name dedicated to it. Why ? Because they ran crisp routes and were open all day long, not because they were burners.
Um, Holt in his prime and Bruce during the Rams SB run were burners.
Yes they were great route runners as well, but if those guys ever caught the ball in stride, it was six points from almost anywhere on the field.
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Um, Holt in his prime and Bruce during the Rams SB run were burners.
Yes they were great route runners as well, but if those guys ever caught the ball in stride, it was six points from almost anywhere on the field.
So far in this thread, Blackmon has been compared to Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and Jimmy and Torrey Smith.

What. The. ****. Guys.
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Um, Holt in his prime and Bruce during the Rams SB run were burners.
Yes they were great route runners as well, but if those guys ever caught the ball in stride, it was six points from almost anywhere on the field.

They were far from burners. Blackmon out ran defenders last night too. Is he a burner ?
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So far in this thread, Blackmon has been compared to Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and Jimmy and Torrey Smith.

What. The. ****. Guys.

Nobody compared Blackmon to Holt and Bruce. I was stating that they weren't considered burners, just like Blackmon isn't considered one. Fitzgerald, AJ, Calvin, Boldin, TO are all not considered burners either. That was my point.
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It should be noted for Kalil sake that the Rams also had HoF LT Pace all those years making life easy for Warner, Faulk, Holt and Bruce.
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It should be noted for Kalil sake that the Rams also had HoF LT Pace all those years making life easy for Warner, Faulk, Holt and Bruce.

+1000. I would have a hard time passing him up. Then moving Saffold to RT makes 2 spots on the o-line better.
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Holt ran a 4.38 at the combine. Bruce was incredibly fast in his prime (and was a perennial Pro Bowler even before the Greatest Show on Turf). Andre and Calvin both ran 4.3s at ridiculous sizes. They're all burners.

Even TO, who was a high 4.5 guy coming out, played incredibly fast in the open field and had some ridiculous build-up speed.

Fitzgerald and Boldin aren't. He's doesn't really share any similarities to Fitzgerald, either, though. Very much like Boldin, though.
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To my eye, Blackmon looks like a 4.50-4.55 guy. Which is enough for him to be a good WR, but not anywhere near enough to convince me he's a stud prospect the Rams should take at #2
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To my eye, Blackmon looks like a 4.50-4.55 guy. Which is enough for him to be a good WR, but not anywhere near enough to convince me he's a stud prospect the Rams should take at #2
Put your glasses on then. This guy's deceptively fast and much faster than Anquan Boldin. He'll run in the 4.42-4.45 range and with his size and physical presence, that's crazy. He'll go top 5 and rightfully so.

I'm a big Blackmon guy though. I'd take him over any WR since Calvin. He doesn't have elite height like a Calvin or Julio Jones, but -- he does everything really damn good and just always gets open and dominates. He has everything I would want in a WR.
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Holt ran a 4.38 at the combine. Bruce was incredibly fast in his prime (and was a perennial Pro Bowler even before the Greatest Show on Turf). Andre and Calvin both ran 4.3s at ridiculous sizes. They're all burners.

Even TO, who was a high 4.5 guy coming out, played incredibly fast in the open field and had some ridiculous build-up speed.

Fitzgerald and Boldin aren't. He's doesn't really share any similarities to Fitzgerald, either, though. Very much like Boldin, though.


Holt ran a 4.44 after the sr bowl.
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Love Blackmon but I def would not draft him over AJ or Julio.
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AJ and Calvin arent burners??? There goes your credibility.
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IF Blackmon runs a sub 4.5 40 then he's a lock for top 5, imho.

But if his 40 is over 4.5 sec then he might slip out of the top 5 and even the top 10.
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This was my post from last night in the gameday thread about Blackmon:

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What I like about Blackmon is that he's not full of himself like other top WR prospects sometimes are. That story about the girl suffering from cancer says a lot about Blackmon's character which I think is an important part of a highly touted prospect. He also seems like a hard worker from all acounts which will benefit him when he goes pro and has to learn and be coached. On the field he's a tackle breaking machine, sure there was a lot of open field in front of him on those TDs but he still needed to come down with the ball and then fight for that open field. I love his "MY BALL!" mentality. He might not have the best timed speed but his physical abilities, work ethic, character and willingness to play through pain and play well all bode well for him in the NFL.
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This is exactly it. The NFL is evolving, and those top WRs who are divas are having a harder time adjusting to the NFL because they're not embraced by their team, and they lack that tenacity in their work ethic to really stick.

Just look at last year, A.J. Green, not at all a diva, but one heck of a WR, blew it up in his rookie season. Julio Jones, not at all a diva, reached out to give back to his community after being hit by the tornado, by not only getting UA to donate a ton of clothes, but being there himself to pass them out. Balled out of control and adored by his teammates, including Roddy White.

Now, on the other hand, you've got KC's crown jewel getting in fights in the preseason, breaking his hand, and missing entirely too much time, on top of his brackish attitude that alienated him from his teammates. That's what I'm talkin about, it's night and day.

The last 'diva' to do well out the gates that I remember is Jackson. But he fell, and fell, and fell. It gave him the chip on his shoulder he needed to go with his diva attitude. So he didn't lose the attitude, but he gained the work ethic.

That's why I love Blackmon as a WR prospect, and if I could the Falcons didn't have Roddy and Julio I'd be clamoring for him in Atlanta. I don't think there are many teams in the NFL that wouldn't gain a lot from having that guy on their team.
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Over the past 20 drafts that had a WR taken in round one (so 1991-2011 excepting 2008), the mean draft position of the top WR was 8.25, and the median draft position was 6.5.

Blackmon, IMO, is pretty much just an average WR among the class of "guys who will be the top WR taken" so I think the appropriate draft position for Blackmon is in the 6-9 range. I just can't see him as a guy who is worthy of a top 5 pick, and if he is taken that high it's because this draft is seriously bereft of elite talent.
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AJ and Calvin arent burners??? There goes your credibility.


You think they are burners currently ? I am not talking about in their college days, I am talking currently ? I don't see either one of them running under a 4.44 right now. Maybe I am labeling the term burner wrong. When I think of a burner, I am thinking of DeSean Jackson, Torrey Smith, Mike Wallace, Julio Jones. I may be totally off track too.
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Calvin is faster than Julio. In someone else's shoes.
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Calvin is faster than Julio. In someone else's shoes.
Blackmon might not have the long speed of Julio, but his short area quickness is phenomenal. It contributes greatly to the crisp routes he runs and I think it's being undersold as a physical attribute that will help him enormously at the next level.
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You think they are burners currently ? I am not talking about in their college days, I am talking currently ? I don't see either one of them running under a 4.44 right now. Maybe I am labeling the term burner wrong. When I think of a burner, I am thinking of DeSean Jackson, Torrey Smith, Mike Wallace, Julio Jones. I may be totally off track too.
You don't believe Calvin Johnson runs a 4.44 right now? Is that serious statement?
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Blackmon might not have the long speed of Julio, but his short area quickness is phenomenal. It contributes greatly to the crisp routes he runs and I think it's being undersold as a physical attribute that will help him enormously at the next level.
I would agree with this. He also has a very powerful lower body, and that will help escaping the jam in the NFL.

Escaping the jam is for WRs as to pocket toughness is for QBs. Most guys aren't asked to be good at it, the offensive systems in college try to camouflage it, and it's incredibly tough to project to the next level.

I think he's a bit more raw than people assume, as that offense (and the defenses he faces) give him a free release and plenty of grass to frollick about, but I certainly think he's got the ability to consistently beat jams in the NFL.

I've been "down" on him I guess in the sense that he's not a top 5 talent, but 7-10 is probably appropriate in this class. The dangerous part is that while there's not a lot of elite talent at the top of this class, there's a ton of talented WRs that will be littered throughout the first three days. It's always a question of value with WRs, and if I take a guy that high, he literally needs to be matchup-proof.
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Calvin is faster than Julio. In someone else's shoes.
Julio Jones ran a 4.39 on a sprained/broken foot. People here really underestimated how his speed would translate to the NFL.

As for Blackmon, I know it's been said, but I see a faster Anquan Boldin. People forget how good Boldin was his first three years in the NFL, he was the fastest to ever get to 300 catches or whatever it was, and an absolute mismatch for DB's to take down.
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