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Old 03-27-2007, 09:38 PM    (permalink
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See I understand that he might want to save money for the future by just letting Briggs go and not paying a top 10 pick and that he prolly feels we have no glaring needs for a top 10 pick...yet just having that pick can benefit the bears in so many ways that I don't understand why they wouldn't want it...I mean they could draft someone who could impact immediately(no idea who) or they could trade for like a mid 1st and a 2nd/3rd to add depth and still not spend alot of money...just having a top 10 pick is such a hot commodity in the NFL that when presented with the option to trade the 2nd to last 1st round pick and a player who doesn't wanna play for you and will just be a problem prolly all year and will leave next year anyway so we will get nothing for him, for such a valuable thing as a top 10 pick that a team should jump at that chance
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(1) The 6th overall pick isn't cheap. Far from it, in fact.

(2) If your team could win the Super Bowl or get the 6th overall pick, what would you choose?

Plus who's to say that if Brady Quinn (or another prospect the Bears want) is on the board when it is time for Washington's pick, that the Bears don't decide then to pull the trigger?
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(1) The 6th overall pick isn't cheap. Far from it, in fact.

(2) If your team could win the Super Bowl or get the 6th overall pick, what would you choose?

Plus who's to say that if Brady Quinn (or another prospect the Bears want) is on the board when it is time for Washington's pick, that the Bears don't decide then to pull the trigger?
It is possible that the reason the Bears were upset about how public this became is because they would want it to remain a draft day deal in case someone fell. If everybody knows the Bears might be trading up to grab someone they like, they might try to preempt.
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That's Bull Crap that the Bears aren't in need of a top 10 pick. The reasoning by some of you guys are ridiculous! The value is heavily on the Bears side to take the deal. Even if they don't want the 6th pick, trade it away for a lower pick, grab the player you really want and get more. If the Cowboys offer Bradie James and their 22nd pick, I would love for the Redskins to take it. Bottom line is the 6th pick is a coveted selection with value the Bears could turn around into something else. If they reject this deal, they'll get a worse deal or end up losing him for nothing.
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That's Bull Crap that the Bears aren't in need of a top 10 pick. The reasoning by some of you guys are ridiculous! The value is heavily on the Bears side to take the deal. Even if they don't want the 6th pick, trade it away for a lower pick, grab the player you really want and get more. If the Cowboys offer Bradie James and their 22nd pick, I would love for the Redskins to take it. Bottom line is the 6th pick is a coveted selection with value the Bears could turn around into something else. If they reject this deal, they'll get a worse deal or end up losing him for nothing.
While I agree with what you're saying, to compare Briggs to a jobber like Bradie James (even taking the value of the picks into account) is laughable.

I'm about 100% sure we won't lose him for nothing, but I doubt we'll get this kind of an offer again.
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While I agree with what you're saying, to compare Briggs to a jobber like Bradie James (even taking the value of the picks into account) is laughable.

I'm about 100% sure we won't lose him for nothing, but I doubt we'll get this kind of an offer again.
Hey... if we weren't rivals with the Skins, I think Snyder would be that stupid. LOL!

I'm not a big Bradie James fan, but I have to admit he's an underrated player.
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wtf is JA doing? You dont want to pick at 6? Well maybe some other team would, and you can just freaking trade down. Get a mid 1st and a mid 2nd then out of a trade down... This is just pure idiotic right now, unless Briggs is indead re-signed.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

OK this article from SI.com says Jerry Angelo is still thinking about it. Dont know what to think.
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I really hope JA is working his magic right now to get some type of absurd package for Briggs...
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I really hope JA is working his magic right now to get some type of absurd package for Briggs...
skins have no absurd package to offer....imo this trade is just a media ploy by rossenhaus to get his player out there and the skins to get attention on the 6 which they want out of apparently
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thats where you're wrong. The Redskins could throw in McIntosh and then it becomes an absurd package

Bears get-6th overall
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lol jp Snyder isnt that dumb
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skins have no absurd package to offer....imo this trade is just a media ploy by rossenhaus to get his player out there and the skins to get attention on the 6 which they want out of apparently
Sort of like how Rosenhaus named a couple teams as "suitors" for Briggs a few weeks ago, but all have laughingly and categorically denied any such interest?
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OK this article from SI.com says Jerry Angelo is still thinking about it. Dont know what to think.

It sounds like Angelo was caught completely off guard by this trade offer. The interesting thing is Angelo said there was no time limit on the trade offer.
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They could probably still trade Briggs somewhere, it's just that it didn't make sense for Chicago to move into the top 6. The top players avaiable at 6 would be Landry, Anderson, Okoye, and if they hit the jackpot Adams. They don't need any of those guys. Now if it was a top 4 pick...
Could Landry work out in Chicago? The Bears have Mike Brown at strong safety and he can't stay healthy and drafting someone else would allow them to release him.
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I really hope JA is working his magic right now to get some type of absurd package for Briggs...
Smokey I really think JA is trying to squeeze more out of this deal. JA has traded down numerous times to I don't think thats the problem.
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Sort of like how Rosenhaus named a couple teams as "suitors" for Briggs a few weeks ago, but all have laughingly and categorically denied any such interest?
im tellin u, its all to hype that pick for people someone like quinn is gonna fall to them
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thats where you're wrong. The Redskins could throw in McIntosh and then it becomes an absurd package

Bears get-6th overall
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lol jp Snyder isnt that dumb
i cant believe you even bothered to post.

i dont care if you're "just playing" thats just awful and wasnt..funny.
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so the real, unasked question in all of this is:

how will the broncos somehow work themselves into this trade?
I would beleive that they would actually offer a fair and even deal to the Bears for Briggs, then turn around and trade him to the Redskins for their entire next two drafts.
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so the real, unasked question in all of this is:

how will the broncos somehow work themselves into this trade?
it must happen! its the annual "broncos raping the redskins trade"
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My understanding was that Washington was best cut out to be a WILL, where he could attack, but I could very well be wrong. I think Briggs' fit in this scheme is not ideal, and I think it is a bad idea.
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Washington was a former collegiate defensive end that made the transition to OLB with the Colts. When he was a free agent a few years ago, several 3-4 teams gave long consideration to him as a rush backer, but Snyder jumped in. One of the reasons he liked coming here was the ability to rush more, which I believe statistically declined last year due to a myriad of concerns.

Briggs fit isn't bad. People seem to forget that Gregg Williams actually ran a cover-2 variant. From the best of my understanding, as I wasn't too focused on football this fall/winter, the main changes were in regards to safety responsibilities.
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Overall, I think I was a bit hasty with my initial reaction to the deal, relative from the Skins side. My Bears feeling hasn't really changed - all in all, it's the "worst case" scenario, as the Bears would prefer to keep Lance, but if Lance wants out and if JA is willing to go that route, then moving up makes sense.

I'm coming around to the trade on the Skins side for a variety of factors. Trade value isn't that big of an issue for me, as my original concern was an overload on LB's. To note, trade value isn't that big an issue again simply because of the requirements involved with franchising a player, and furthermore, an individual that many view to be of a Pro Bowl caliber. So why am I coming around? I still think it's an overload on LB's ... but

a) Redskins main needs entering the offseason arguably was an interior pass rusher and a base end, with secondary focus placed on a pass rushing end.

b) If the Redskins don't trust Lemar Marshall and Rocky McIntosh enough, then that forces Marcus Washington into coverage more, as the coaches trust him.

c) If they add Briggs, though, Washington is allowed to pass rush more.

d) PFT keeps noting the whole "3 LB's" issue, but that's a bit overrated. Briggs would be a 3-down backer, with Fletcher-Baker coming out in dime packages, as he's arguably lost a step.

e) Redskins feel comfortable with

1) Kedric Golston as a pass rusher - I know they were high on him, but I personally was still somewhat leery.

2) The 2nd tier DL talent being able to make an impact sooner than later

3) Secondary depth being able to be externally addressed and/or Shawn Springs restructuring to stay.

4) Andre Carter continuing his solid end of season stretch and manifesting itself into a consistent edge pressure guy that would match well with Marcus Washington.

5) To go along with 2, overall DL depth from either guys stepping up or somehow adding pieces.

f) Trading down from 31 is also very possible. At that point in the draft, there will likely be several players that some teams have graded higher, which would allow Washington to move into better positioning and potentially add a pick to address CB/DL depth.

Overall, I still don't like the deal, but in retrospect, I guess I don't dislike it. There's been indications of front office changes happening in Washington, relative to power, and part of it may, and this is just a rumor, deal with coaches unhappiness in the scouting decision to pursue Rocky McIntosh last year, as it was rumored to be a mixed decision. That being said. I personally think you give Rocky or Lemar the chance at weakside, and I think both could do the job more than fine. It isn't an issue of the talent available at 6, as it always made more sense for Washington to deal down, but rather the potential options at 6 increasing as draft day gets closer. I mean, for example, maybe Atlanta decided on draft day to hop over Minnesota, and then maybe some team decided they needed to move up for a player falling at 8 ... Washington would recoup a lot of picks and address a lot of key depth needs (yes, I know, the actual possibility of multiple trades happening isn't that high, but it is a hypothetical and remember 2002 and the Skins excellent draft maneuvering that year.)

On a side note, the Redskins can handle the monetary aspects, as they've cleared up the money for it.
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Folks this trade isn't dead...far from it. What Angelo is doing is very business savy. Why? ...well do you ever take the initial offer when working a deal? If the Redskins initial offer was the 6th for Briggs and the 31st, was that their low ball offer or their best offer? I expect the Bears to make a counter offer this week because it doesn't seem like the initial proposal of "Briggs and 31 for 6" was a take it or leave deal because there was no time limit on the offer.
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http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/w.../entry/10033019

Sportsline.com: Clark Judge - Sorry Briggs

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A source close to Washington owner Daniel Snyder on Tuesday denied the club is close to making a deal for Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs.

"Not true," he said.

Reports indicated that Washington is willing to switch first-round positions with Chicago -- sacrificing the sixth overall pick for the 31st -- to gain Briggs, the Bears' unhappy franchise player. But that's not true, either, said the source.

"That's just Drew talking," he said.

Drew is Drew Rosenhaus, the agent for Briggs, and it was he who escorted the Bears' linebacker to a table Monday night where Snyder was dining at the annual NFL owners' meetings. Also there, according to others, were Washington's vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and Baltimore owner Steve Bischiotti.

Anyway, the source said, Rosenhaus said something about how much Briggs could do for the Redskins and suggested Snyder make a deal for him. Snyder responded by saying the Redskins and Bears should switch first-round positions to gain Briggs.

"It was innocent and meant as a joke," said the source, "but it's taken off."

Briggs last month was tagged as the Bears' franchise player, a move that prevented him from becoming an unrestricted free agent and that angered him so much he threatened not to play this season. That changed this week when Rosenhaus said Briggs would stay out the first 10 games of the season, then report for the last six to earn another year's credit.

That ploy hasn't worked in the past. When wide receiver Keenan McCardell attempted it in 2004, the Tampa Bay Bucs let him sit until trading him in mid-season to San Diego.

The Bears have insisted they will not act on Briggs' demands and that they expect him to play for them this season. In fact, team president Ted Phillips this week told reporters in Phoenix that Briggs turned down a lucrative extension last year and that the Bears notified him and Rosenhaus that they would consider protecting Briggs with a franchise tag if he remained unsigned.
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