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Old 12-24-2011, 03:41 AM    (permalink
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The guys who seem to be projected for the first two rounds who you think don't belong there. The guy who'd make you throw your remote at the TV if your team drafted him high. For me, I think of LaMichael James. There seem to be quite a few people who think he's a late first, solid second-type player. He's a guy who's made his name playing on a wide-open offensive team that is on TV a lot. The lanes he runs through are enormous, and when they're not there, he looks really ordinary. He's got no power at all. I'm not saying he can't play in the NFL, but when I watch him play I see nothing to suggest he warrants a premium pick. He's got pretty good quickness, but I'm not sure about his long speed. At any rate, I don't think he's fast enough to compensate for his inability to break tackles. And I don't really even see a whole lot to get excited about as far as elusiveness goes. He follows his blocks pretty well, but I just don't see him creating a lot on his own. That's my problem with him - it seems like he's a guy who has put up some huge stats, but my predilection is to look at that more as team success than James' individual ability. He's more like a 4th-rounder to me. A complimentary player.

Also don't like Landry Jones. He's a strong-armed backup to me. Thinking Kellen Clemons, Derek Anderson.

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I'll just get this outta the way for the LaMichael Fans. And because I laugh when I see it.

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I'm not sure that I hate anyone this year since there are no controversial players this year. But if the Pats draft Melvin Ingram or Brandon Thompson I'm going to need to kill something.
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- Cordy Glenn. I guess he got better later in the year, but he was terrible to start. I know he was at LT, where he won't play in the NFL, but he looks soft to me. Doesn't display to me that he is strong enough at the POA vs. powerful DTs.

- Landry Jones. I didn't really like Bradford coming out. Landry isn't as good as him. Needs to sit a couple years with a really good QB coach before he is effective in the NFL.

- Injuries to Jared Crick and Ryan Broyles have taken them out of the 1st round conversation, but I hated both as early picks. 3rd round was about right to me before injuries. Crick is a tweener, and not a great athlete. Broyles is not explosive enough or good enough after the catch to warrant an early pick.

-Mark Barron. I don't think he can cover at all. Glorified LB to me who's only going to be effective in the box. Maybe not as bad in coverage as former Cowboy SS, Roy Williams, but I see them as similar players.

- Courtney Upshaw/Donta' Hightower. I like both as prospects, but I don't see them as 4-3 LBs or 4-3 DEs and I have seen people mocking them to 4-3 teams. Both look like 3-4 guys who can play in or out though.
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Agree on LaMichael James and Landry Jones.
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LaMichael comes to mind immediately for all the reasons you said.
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I wouldn't say I "hate" him, but I think Dre Kirkpatrick is really overvalued. Very scheme-dependent corner, but I think he'd be a hell of a safety.

Oh, and Alshon.
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Jared Crick and Nick Perry.
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Alshon for me. I'd have him behind Floyd, Blackmon, Wright, Sanu and Jones.
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Russell Wilson. I don't see the big deal.
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I actually like these two and have seen way too much of both of them as a Husky fan. Crick probably in that Justin Smith mold and i'll stay with the Niner theme and say Perry will remind some of Aldon Smith, although neither will go as high as those two.
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I love Alshon. Screw you guys.

I certainly don't see all the fuss over Cordy Glenn. I think Quentin Coples is overvalued because of potential and doesn't show up on tape as consistently as you would like for a guy with that level of athleticism. I think Dre Kirkpatrick is overrated as well. He's been solid at Bama but I think some people still factor in the high school hype when thinking of him.

Oh, and I ******* hate what I saw from Jonathon Martin this year.
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Jerel Worthy and Vontaze Burfict.

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Crick is a 5 tech only. Didn't anchor well at all from what I saw.

Perry just always looks so stiff.
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Interesting, because there's a part of me that thinks he'd be in the first/second round conversation if he was 2 or 3 inches taller. But as it is, I see him going 5th-ish, maybe even later. Is that what you mean by "big deal," or are you hearing more buzz than that? Because he seems more like a sleeper to me.
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Landry Jones......is there really any other choice


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Quinton Couples not terrible but i don't see elite pass rusher, or top five pick.


Justin Blackmon again not terrible but is he really worth a top five pick, a slightly better Crabtree....i'd say
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I want a QB on the Chiefs more than anything, but I probably would hate Landry Jones.
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Perry just always looks so stiff.
Yeah, I go back and for with Perry. Workouts will be huge for him if he can show that his inflexibility is a coaching issue and not a "physical defect" so to speak.
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Interesting, because there's a part of me that thinks he'd be in the first/second round conversation if he was 2 or 3 inches taller. But as it is, I see him going 5th-ish, maybe even later. Is that what you mean by "big deal," or are you hearing more buzz than that? Because he seems more like a sleeper to me.
Even if he were taller, he's good at a lot of things, but nothing jumps off the screen when I watch.
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I could see him proving me wrong, very easily. He has that first step I need to see from a pass rusher, and he's powerful. He just plays way too high and looks stiff in the hips, and it really irks me.
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Landry Jones - I don't see what everyone else does, I think he needs to go back to school. He's a 3rd rounder IMO.

Jeff Fuller - I hear all the time that he's a beast and has great hands.....Everytime I watch him play he is nonexistent and gets shutdown by mediocre corners.

Vontaze Burfict - Ok I see the potential, I see the athlete but he overpursues all the time, he's undeciplined and he misses to many tackles. Just laughable that people think he's a first rounder.
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I don't care for Blackmon or Jeffrey. Blackmon is a great player, but nothing special stands out and I don't buy him as a top 10 pick. He's more of a 20's player for me. Jeffrey just screams bust to me, when has a WR with weight issues ever worked out?
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I could see him proving me wrong, very easily. He has that first step I need to see from a pass rusher, and he's powerful. He just plays way too high and looks stiff in the hips, and it really irks me.
Perry reminds me oh so much of Aldon Smith, who is another guy I wasn't high on whatsoever as a 3-4 OLB. I liked him enough as a 4-3 DE because he had an excellent inside rip and he looked comfortable enough there, but I thought he just looked awkward at the combine in the LB drills.

Of course, he's proving me wrong with his 14 NFL sacks...I hate when I'm wrong.
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