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Old 12-26-2011, 11:03 AM    (permalink
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Cordy Glenn, Justin Blackmon, Jonathan Martin, and Quinton Coples
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Cordy Glenn, Justin Blackmon, Jonathan Martin, and Quinton Coples
I've seen three of those guys mocked to the Panthers.
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I don't know if I hate any prospects (yet), but I don't think much of either of the FSU OT's, Jerel Worthy or Whitney Merclilus.
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To hate a player you need a solid reason, a lot of what is posted here really has zero merit. I dislike Jeffery and Glenn because they are fat and slow and I know from experience that pro scouts and GM's hate prospects who cannot get into shape especially in their final college season when they know pro scouts are judging them. It often means they will be even less motivated when they get a pro contract with big dollars and could eat themselves out of the game. I know that as pros, you have to be in shape to play effectively for 4 quarters and these 2 guys currently couldn't play at top form for 4 quarters, so I hate the waste of talent they both represent.
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Any thoughts on Ohio State's Mike Adams?
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To hate a player you need a solid reason, a lot of what is posted here really has zero merit. I dislike Jeffery and Glenn because they are fat and slow and I know from experience that pro scouts and GM's hate prospects who cannot get into shape especially in their final college season when they know pro scouts are judging them. It often means they will be even less motivated when they get a pro contract with big dollars and could eat themselves out of the game. I know that as pros, you have to be in shape to play effectively for 4 quarters and these 2 guys currently couldn't play at top form for 4 quarters, so I hate the waste of talent they both represent.
Zero merit? It's opinions given by people who for the most part have no say so in what their teams do. And it is also your opinion that Jeffrey and Glenn are fat and slow. You don't know this for a fact.
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Zero merit? It's opinions given by people who for the most part have no say so in what their teams do. And it is also your opinion that Jeffrey and Glenn are fat and slow. You don't know this for a fact.
On Jeffery, I am just going by scouting reports I have read, the combine will confirm or deny my opinion.

As for Glenn, Fact 1: there are approx 8 starters in the NFL who weight over 340lbs. two of which are 6'7" or higher, leaving 6 starters at relatively his weight although some are lighter. Fact 2: Most gained weight after they entered the NFL and were drafted at a much lower lower weight. That gives my opinion on Glenn a very high factor for being correct, since only 3% of current NFL offensive linemen weigh anything near what his current weight is.
If Glenn adds 10 or 20 lbs. when he plays in the NFL, that would make him the fattest 6'5" player in the league.
If you don't want to believe that he is fat and unlikely to be able to go full steam for 4 quarters, that is your opinion based on zero facts.
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Landry Jones - I don't see what everyone else does, I think he needs to go back to school. He's a 3rd rounder IMO.

Jeff Fuller - I hear all the time that he's a beast and has great hands.....Everytime I watch him play he is nonexistent and gets shutdown by mediocre corners.

Vontaze Burfict - Ok I see the potential, I see the athlete but he overpursues all the time, he's undeciplined and he misses to many tackles. Just laughable that people think he's a first rounder.
What he said. Not a big fan of Mike Adams either.
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On Jeffery, I am just going by scouting reports I have read, the combine will confirm or deny my opinion.

As for Glenn, Fact 1: there are approx 8 starters in the NFL who weight over 340lbs. two of which are 6'7" or higher, leaving 6 starters at relatively his weight although some are lighter. Fact 2: Most gained weight after they entered the NFL and were drafted at a much lower lower weight. That gives my opinion on Glenn a very high factor for being correct, since only 3% of current NFL offensive linemen weigh anything near what his current weight is.
If Glenn adds 10 or 20 lbs. when he plays in the NFL, that would make him the fattest 6'5" player in the league.
If you don't want to believe that he is fat and unlikely to be able to go full steam for 4 quarters, that is your opinion based on zero facts.
Well Marcus Cannon is listed as 6'5 358lbs and he is extremely athletic. He had no problems in college playing LT going for 4 quarters and despite coming off PUP this year with cancer doesn't seem to have much problems playing hard anytime he's on the field
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Not a big fan of Alfonzo Dennard. He's small, stocky and doesn't play bigger than his size - that's death in the modern NFL. Can't tackle either.
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Quinton Coples and Zach Brown are extremely overrated as well.

Read this article for some more insight on these busts-in-waiting:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-and-hurt-too
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Michael Floyd
If he keeps his head straight I think he'll be a really good receiver but injury concerns and character concerns keep me away.

Landry Jones
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Quinton Coples and Zach Brown are extremely overrated as well.

Read this article for some more insight on these busts-in-waiting:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-and-hurt-too
Interesting to see Coby Fleener's name dropped into the first round conversation. I hadn't thought that was really a possibility.
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Interesting to see Coby Fleener's name dropped into the first round conversation. I hadn't thought that was really a possibility.
Fleener is a beast. He's better than Rudolph in almost every area and Rudolph got some first round talk despite missing a lot of time due to injury.
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I like Trent Richardson, but I guarantee I'm not going to like how high he gets drafted (barring something really serious cropping up between now and the draft.)
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I like Trent Richardson, but I guarantee I'm not going to like how high he gets drafted (barring something really serious cropping up between now and the draft.)
Disclaimer: This isn't directed at either of you two.

I dunno. How many top 15 ranked prospects deserve to be there? To me, Richardson is definitely one of those guys. A month ago it was Burflict. A month ago it was D.J. Fluker. Or Matt Barkley. Brandon Thompson.

I guess my point is, there's a long way to go in this process. A lot of members of this forum take these rankings so seriously, or get so super-offended when a player is mocked to them that they don't like.

"Such and such player shouldn't be drafted before the second round." Why? What if Richardson runs a 4.4 40, benches 40, has a 40" vertical and can broad jump 11 feet. Hell, he might be the #2 overall pick. That's unheard of athleticism. And he certainly has the production.

Anyway....just wanted to get that out there. You are correct in that the RB position has become less valued. All these rule changes set forth by the owners and Goodell have made sure of that.
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Coples/Jeffery/Jones/Burfict.

Hate is a strong word, mostly I think all these guys are overrated by a round or more.
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Hate is an exaggeration, but I thought it'd be a more stimulating thread title than...

"Prospects you think are overrated by a round or more." Although that probably would've worked just fine.
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Is it just me or is it harder to hate this year? My dislike for Jones/Floyd doesn't even compare to my feelings for Newton/Matthews last year.
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Is it just me or is it harder to hate this year? My dislike for Jones/Floyd doesn't even compare to my feelings for Newton/Matthews last year.
Well it's still early, and I think we'll find more guys to hate later in the process, but I think a lot of the issue is that traditionally a significant portion of the hate is directed to those prospects who are in the mix for the #1 overall pick.

But this year there's absolutely no question as to who the top guy is, and he's not really even hateable. Everybody pretty much agrees that Andrew Luck is a darn fine NFL prospect, even if they think he's gotten too much love so far.
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Quinten Coples - I see another Everson Griffin. Great athlete that doesn't produce or make that big of a difference on the field. I would say Carlos Dunlap is another comparison but he has exceeded my expectations so far. And I think Coples is a better athlete.

Is Landry Jones actually overrated now? I don't think most people think of him as a good idea in the 1st anymore.

Alshon Jeffrey is a fat sack of unmotivated crap.
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Another Quinton Coples non-fan. I don't see anything special about him. Even at the college level I don't see him as a consistently impacting the game. If he can be marginalized by college lineman, I suspect the same by pro lineman. He's currently seemingly the unanimous pick for the Panthers, I just hope that doesn't translate to reality.

See nothing remotely special about Landry Jones either.
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Another Quinton Coples non-fan. I don't see anything special about him. Even at the college level I don't see him as a consistently impacting the game. If he can be marginalized by college lineman, I suspect the same by pro lineman. He's currently seemingly the unanimous pick for the Panthers, I just hope that doesn't translate to reality.
I think Coples is a guy who will make a decent base end or inside rusher for a 4-3 defense, or a good 5-tech, but he's nowhere near a good bet as the classic star RDE in an even front which is why people think he's worth so much.

If you have me taking him in around #20, I'd be happy with him, so he's not a round or more overrated... but he's absolutely overrated.
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How about a comparison to Jamaal Anderson? That fair for Coples?
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