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Old 01-02-2012, 08:06 AM    (permalink
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3. Trade Manning in March 2012 and keep Luck
Colts spend $28m in roster bonus just to let Manning walk away to another team.
Dead Cap space: $38.8m
Little or no money to sign free agents.
Draft picks in 2012/13 draft to rebuild team around Luck.

4. Trade Manning in March 2013 and keep Luck
Colts pay $35m+ in cash for one season of Manning.
Dead cap space: $28m
Draft picks in 2013/14 to rebuild team around Luck.
The Colts would be forced to restructure Manning's deal.

Manning will get to give them a list of teams he wants to play for and the Colts could auction his services off.

That's the only way a trade makes sense, and that's the only way to prevent massive dead cap space.
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Don't see why the Colts wouldn't keep Manning and draft Luck. Then they are settled at quarterback for the next decade at least with extremely high draft picks throughout the rest of 2012.

Rams are in a great spot to move down, I don't see the Vikings or the Browns passing up on RG3 so if a team wants him they'll need to deal with the Rams.
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Don't see why the Colts wouldn't keep Manning and draft Luck. Then they are settled at quarterback for the next decade at least with extremely high draft picks throughout the rest of 2012.
If I were the Colts owner, I'd keep both guys and tell Archie Manning to ****. But that doesn't seem to be how the NFL does things.
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I think the Colts don't pick up the option on Peyton. Thank him for the memories and move on. SF traded Joe Montana when he was still pretty good. If they pick up Peyton's option, can they keep Wayne and Mathis? I don't know their cap numbers. Peyton would be returning to an aging team and losing his favorite target. It really is in the best interest of both parties to move on.

I'm guessing Peyton takes his talents to South Beach. Unless Dan Snyders gets him on his private jet and won't let him off without a contract. Miami's a playoff team with Manning. Has weapons in Marshall and Bush. Good LT in Jake Long. A top 10 pick to add another weapon or RT.
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Reports that the Polians may be out in Indianapolis. That could really change everything here. No real loyalty from the new GM to Peyton perhaps?
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Reports that the Polians may be out in Indianapolis. That could really change everything here. No real loyalty from the new GM to Peyton perhaps?
even still, do you then just throw Andrew Luck out to the wolves with that team and risk David Carr syndrome? How long is Peyton's option? Is it a one year thing? If so, pick it up, go with Peyton for a year, Luck sits and learns and you go from there
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even still, do you then just throw Andrew Luck out to the wolves with that team and risk David Carr syndrome?
The offensive line isn't completely awful, especially at the tackle positions. This isn't the old Houston O-line and the team has decent enough weapons. It's not as bad as it looks, just needs some running game which could happen depending on the new coaching staff.
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Reports that the Polians may be out in Indianapolis. That could really change everything here. No real loyalty from the new GM to Peyton perhaps?
This would be the greatest off season addition that they could make...

I am a huge Luck fan but I really just want someone to explain to me how (even if he is the next Manning) he will lead this team to a superbowl with the current personnel?

This team needs to rebuild and it may be hard to pass on a guy like Luck but making the same mistake over again and expecting different results is insanity.
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Reports that the Polians may be out in Indianapolis. That could really change everything here. No real loyalty from the new GM to Peyton perhaps?
The loyalty comes from Irsay and if he wants Peyton around, he's not going to hire someone who doesn't. If anything, I think Polian and Peyton have a shaky relationship right now based on all the leaks Peyton didn't want out there. Should be really interesting depending on how things go down.
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The Colts would be forced to restructure Manning's deal.

Manning will get to give them a list of teams he wants to play for and the Colts could auction his services off.

That's the only way a trade makes sense, and that's the only way to prevent massive dead cap space.
If that's truly the avenue the Colts pursue, why exactly would Peyton be showing that kind of loyalty to a team about to cut him down? If anything, I think the restructure will be only if he chooses to stick around. Otherwise, why narrow your list of possibilities and deprive your future team of assets when you can just tell the Colts to shove it and cut you outright, enabling you to go anywhere?
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If that's truly the avenue the Colts pursue, why exactly would Peyton be showing that kind of loyalty to a team about to cut him down? If anything, I think the restructure will be only if he chooses to stick around. Otherwise, why narrow your list of possibilities and deprive your future team of assets when you can just tell the Colts to shove it and cut you outright, enabling you to go anywhere?
Because the Colts could just eat your contract and hold onto you for 2 years while prepping for Andrew Luck.

It's in the best interest for everyone to cooperate.
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Because the Colts could just eat your contract and hold onto you for 2 years while prepping for Andrew Luck.

It's in the best interest for everyone to cooperate.
I honestly think that's the best scenario, not to mention the most logical.
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News of the Polians being fired made my day; does that mean Bill is finally kicked off of the competition committee? Rule changes have been killing the NFL for years.
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I'm not sure why Pats fans are so happy about Polian going down. They realize the best RB they've had in their current run is Antowain Smith, right?
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I'm not sure why Pats fans are so happy about Polian going down. They realize the best RB they've had in their current run is Antowain Smith, right?
The Pats? Corey Dillon? The best RB in the NFL in 2004?
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This would be the greatest off season addition that they could make...

I am a huge Luck fan but I really just want someone to explain to me how (even if he is the next Manning) he will lead this team to a superbowl with the current personnel?
Errr, no one does. It is why you have more than one pick, more than one year, and more than just the draft to build a team. With a solid GM, they may build the team the right way instead of neglecting needs in midrounds.
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You know what, fair enough. I remembered Dillon was on the Pats but wrote him off because I remember the one big year being very mercernary-ish and then thinking he was done after that. But he still put up double digits TDs the next couple years and 04 was a lot better than I remember
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Errr, no one does. It is why you have more than one pick, more than one year, and more than just the draft to build a team. With a solid GM, they may build the team the right way instead of neglecting needs in midrounds.
I just see a team that really needs to rebuild and should take advantage of this situation to add a ton of premium picks to hasten that rebuilding process.

I wouldn't call drafting Luck the wrong answer, I just a chance to rebuild faster than a 5 year plan
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I just see a team that really needs to rebuild and should take advantage of this situation to add a ton of premium picks to hasten that rebuilding process.

I wouldn't call drafting Luck the wrong answer, I just a chance to rebuild faster than a 5 year plan
But it won't get done in 2, which could be Peyton's limit.

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So, the loyalty comes from the guy who has already said they are drafting Andrew Luck?
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So, the loyalty comes from the guy who has already said they are drafting Andrew Luck?
What's your point? It's the same guy who said that if Peyton ever plays again, it will be in a Colts uniform.
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What's your point? It's the same guy who said that if Peyton ever plays again, it will be in a Colts uniform.
My point is there is no loyalty from owner to play, it's a business.
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The more I think about it if I am the Colts I would trade Manning to the Bucs since they have a billion dollars under the cap and then sign a few more pieces we need. Hire Tony Dungy and go from there. Allow Josh Freeman to be a backup and re-learn the QB position and learn from the best QB and HC.
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News of the Polians being fired made my day; does that mean Bill is finally kicked off of the competition committee? Rule changes have been killing the NFL for years.
yes! great point. The new rules in the NFL from the past ten years have totally made the sport way worse. Unfortunately I don't think Polian leaving would change much. Goodell is the commish and he is hellbent on making the NFL a league for pansies.
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[quote=Shane P. Hallam;2808605]But it won't get done in 2, which could be Peyton's limit./QUOTE]

You can still use one of those picks to get a QB of the future not named Luck as well as gain a number of picks with which to get a jump start on your rebuilding process.

I'm not trying to argue that taking Luck would be a bad move, simply that another move MIGHT be a better one.
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even still, do you then just throw Andrew Luck out to the wolves with that team and risk David Carr syndrome? How long is Peyton's option? Is it a one year thing? If so, pick it up, go with Peyton for a year, Luck sits and learns and you go from there
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