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Old 01-11-2012, 01:48 PM    (permalink
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Pretty much what BBD just said. Plus the Jets cap situation right now isn't going to allow them to do much in the off season either. As a Pats fan however I am content with seeing Sanchez start for the Jets another season. I think he's the only QB this season that didn't man handle our porous pass defense.
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Well this got interesting...

We have to bring in another quarterback that will make him work at practice, said one player. Hes lazy and content because he knows hes not going to be benched.


Here's an article from E!SPN too
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...peyton-manning
Greg McElroy REALLY wants this job doesn't he....yes I am blaming him. People gonna be cowards and be unnamed players, I like to guess. I BLAM U MCELROY!
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i say no; there aren't many single, good-looking quarterbacks in the NFL and this really isn't the time for the Jets to get picky. when the rex ryan foot fetish story came out i thought, what better way to connect with the fans on a personal level than to release a sanchez and rex ryan's wife foot fetish sex tape filmed with rex's commentary; they could have sanchez come into the locker room all sweaty and take his pants off while they pan down and show his dirty feet, then you see in the background rex's wife fondling herself while she looks onward. she comes out and starts sucking on mark's toes and they eventually assume a toe 69 position where they engage in a mutual masturbation session which culiminates in mark ejaculating all over the back of her ankles.
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Greg McElroy REALLY wants this job doesn't he....yes I am blaming him. People gonna be cowards and be unnamed players, I like to guess. I BLAM U MCELROY!
Not sure if it is McElroy, but Derek Mason was right when he said that locker room was a cluster you-know-what.
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When Plax, Mason, and Santonio all went up to Rex to complain, I think they were all complaining about Sanchez, not Schotty. Just a hunch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Plax is one of the unnamed sources. And Bart Scott. I think some of those guys were defenders, bc they have no allegiance to Sanchez.
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i say no; there aren't many single, good-looking quarterbacks in the NFL and this really isn't the time for the Jets to get picky. when the rex ryan foot fetish story came out i thought, what better way to connect with the fans on a personal level than to release a sanchez and rex ryan's wife foot fetish sex tape filmed with rex's commentary; they could have sanchez come into the locker room all sweaty and take his pants off while they pan down and show his dirty feet, then you see in the background rex's wife fondling herself while she looks onward. she comes out and starts sucking on mark's toes and they eventually assume a toe 69 position where they engage in a mutual masturbation session which culiminates in mark ejaculating all over the back of her ankles.
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Yes.

No point in him being an NFL QB. He never was good, he got carried by an elite defense, ala Joe Flacco. Then again, doesn't hurt my feelings at all seeing the Jets dissolve.
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When Plax, Mason, and Santonio all went up to Rex to complain, I think they were all complaining about Sanchez, not Schotty. Just a hunch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Plax is one of the unnamed sources. And Bart Scott. I think some of those guys were defenders, bc they have no allegiance to Sanchez.
I am almost 100 percent sure that Holmes hated Schotty.



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I still think Sanchez has a good amount of potential. Maybe with better coaching he can thrive.
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i say no; there aren't many single, good-looking quarterbacks in the NFL and this really isn't the time for the Jets to get picky. when the rex ryan foot fetish story came out i thought, what better way to connect with the fans on a personal level than to release a sanchez and rex ryan's wife foot fetish sex tape filmed with rex's commentary; they could have sanchez come into the locker room all sweaty and take his pants off while they pan down and show his dirty feet, then you see in the background rex's wife fondling herself while she looks onward. she comes out and starts sucking on mark's toes and they eventually assume a toe 69 position where they engage in a mutual masturbation session which culiminates in mark ejaculating all over the back of her ankles.
I agree for the same reason.
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Plax, Holmes, and LT have all played with HOF QBs for most of their careers (yes, Eli too) and are expecting the same from Sanchez. He's not played at that level but he hasn't been near horrible either. Rex and Tannenbaum ought to recognize that he's he's one of their few draft picks that has panned out. If the rest of the squad doesn't get any better, he'll just get pushed out of town and play well for another playoff contender. They ought to just go for Manning and trade him now.
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When you say not near horrible, are you trying to speak about some other QB not named Mark Sanchez? Because if not I'm lost on what you take the words "not near horrible" to mean if youre using them to describe a near horrible QB.
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Pretty much what BBD just said. Plus the Jets cap situation right now isn't going to allow them to do much in the off season either. As a Pats fan however I am content with seeing Sanchez start for the Jets another season. I think he's the only QB this season that didn't man handle our porous pass defense.
Yes but that is because he was working with Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer is known for not designing routes that get WRs open, not gameplanning plays that work, and never calling (sorry, dialing) up the right play. Addition by subtraction for Sanchez, who probably received +10 to his attributes immediately after Schottenheimer left.
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Yes but that is because he was working with Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer is known for not designing routes that get WRs open, not gameplanning plays that work, and never calling (sorry, dialing) up the right play. Addition by subtraction for Sanchez, who probably received +10 to his attributes immediately after Schottenheimer left.
Please stop protecting Sanchize with Schotty. A good QB makes things work. He doesn't. Playcalling in the NFL only is so much of the problem.

Look at Pittsburgh and even Baltimore. Awful OCs yet Ben and to a lesser degree Flacco still get it done.
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The only question when thinking of 'should x get rid of y' usually is can you get someone better? or I guess would it drastically help the cap situation so you can get a far superior player.

With the QBs coming on the market that at least have a chance to hit the market.

Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Jason Campbell
Donovan McNabb
Kyle Orton
Shaun Hill
Drew Stanton

There is no consistency issue in fact Chad Henne may be more in tune with the Jets new offense than Sanchez so which QB do you choose?
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Yes but that is because he was working with Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer is known for not designing routes that get WRs open, not gameplanning plays that work, and never calling (sorry, dialing) up the right play. Addition by subtraction for Sanchez, who probably received +10 to his attributes immediately after Schottenheimer left.
Shoetenheimer was a main factor in the success at improving Drew Brees in his last 2 years in San Diego.

I don't think Shotty was the problem.
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The only question when thinking of 'should x get rid of y' usually is can you get someone better? or I guess would it drastically help the cap situation so you can get a far superior player.

With the QBs coming on the market that at least have a chance to hit the market.

Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Jason Campbell
Donovan McNabb
Kyle Orton
Shaun Hill
Drew Stanton

There is no consistency issue in fact Chad Henne may be more in tune with the Jets new offense than Sanchez so which QB do you choose?
Henne, Flynn and Campbell are all improvements over Sanchez or would at least add competition. If i was the Jets i would be making sure i get one of these guys or draft a guy like Tannehill in April.
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I don't think Shotty was the problem.
yeah brees has really struggled without him...

how do we know shotty was responsible for his improvement? where was this magic with sanchez?

sanchez has dissappointed, but watching that offense i cant help but feel like its very poorly designed. it just seems like no one is ever really getting open and that nothing is really adjusted to situations and personnel. cant really explain what it is im seeing, but it just doesnt look like its all working.
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This is what happens Rex. This is what happens when you massage egos, tell guys they are better than they really are, take away all player accountability by always taking the blame yourself, gassing up players who need a kick in the pants, and getting a bunch of lockerroom cancers bc you think everyone wants to play for you and will be on good behavior for you.

This is what happens.

The Jets are falling apart, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. And it's very clear to me that Sanchez needs to go. He sucks. I'm done with him.

He'll get next year to prove himself, but he won't succeed. He'll get cut after next year, and who knows what happens with Rex. This ship is sinking fast.

Rex might not survive 2012 if this continues.
I'm sorry, but this is a massive overreaction.

I mean, we were 8-8. After back to back AFC championship appearances, an 8-8 season gets Rex on the hot seat?

As for Sanchez, I don't see him improving next year either, but there should never be a close game where he is throwing 50+ times. Ever. So I think he will be able to hide a little better.

As for the Jets locker room falling apart, we have one unnamed source bashing Sanchez. Let's not rush to judgment, here.
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The Jets have mediocre to poor offensive talent and a bad qb. Schotty wasn't good, but he didn't have much to work with. Scheme is important, but it ultimately comes down to the players and the Jets aren't very talented on offense.
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There are no throws deep. Any coordinator will want to take his shots, even just a few times. I don't think they can with Sanchez. Remember that color coordinated system they devised for him a few years ago. You think any coach wants to do that? Of course not. They are forced to. Next year is Sanchez's year. If Haley comes, he won't stand for the hand holding BS.
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The Jets have mediocre to poor offensive talent and a bad qb. Schotty wasn't good, but he didn't have much to work with. Scheme is important, but it ultimately comes down to the players and the Jets aren't very talented on offense.
And they are slowly getting less talented on defense, without any promising young players to take over. Their last few drafts have been very poor.
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The Jets are expected to "scale back the playbook" and focus on a ground-and-pound offensive approach under new coach Tony Sparano.
Sources tell ESPN New York that outgoing OC Brian Schottenheimer ran a "high-volume offense" that overwhelmed Mark Sanchez. Sparano is expected to run a simplified version with increased two-tight end sets.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...ge-performance

I guess all the two man route concepts were overwhelming.
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I guess all the two man route concepts were overwhelming.
Jesus Christ. A lab rat will be able to run that new offense then. They'll never win with him. It was a minor miracle they get to 2 championship games with him.
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I guess all the two man route concepts were overwhelming.
I don't even...

If I didn't see the link I'd think that was an Onion article.
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