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View Poll Results: Burfict or Kuechly?
Burfict 18 22.22%
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Other 2 2.47%
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:21 AM    (permalink
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With the emergence lately of Victor Cruz at the WR position i cant see the Giants going any other direction than Kuechly.
You do realize that they'd have to trade up into the top 15 to get Kuechly? They'll be picking no higher than 20 at this point.

The Eagles at #15 will prevent Kuechly from falling any lower, and might even trade up higher to secure him.
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He's not a top 15 prospect especially for a 4-3 team. He is far better suited to play ILB in a 3-4 defense where his lack of speed won't hurt him.
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I'm looking at Kuechly as strictly a Mike in a 4-3. I don't know how easily he transitions to other LB positions.

He's like a mini Urlacher IMO. I have to think the Giants or Eagles are targeting him in the first.
Except Urlacher had 4.5-4.6 speed while I suspect Kuechly will clock in at 4.8-4.9.
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He's not a top 15 prospect especially for a 4-3 team. He is far better suited to play ILB in a 3-4 defense where his lack of speed won't hurt him.
i get that hes not an aaron curry or dontay moch but hes not unathletic or super slow either.
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Burfict reminds me of Rey Maualuga, the MLB of the Bengals, he isn't perfect but he brings instant toughness to any defense which brings fear to offenses around the league.
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With the emergence lately of Victor Cruz at the WR position i cant see the Giants going any other direction than Kuechly.
Not really sure who'll be available, but an OT would really help.
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Doubt it happens but Jonathon Martin might be able to sneak into the 20ish range of picks.

And while Kuelchy is being picked for the Eagles in every single mock, when was the last time that Reid actually drafted a 1st round LB?
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Not really sure who'll be available, but an OT would really help.
Probably wouldnt hurt but pikcing last in the first round you're getting about the 5th best OT as opposed to the best LB in the draft.
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i get that hes not an aaron curry or dontay moch but hes not unathletic or super slow either.
He reads the play well which gives him the appearance that he isn't slow, but the fact is, he is pretty slow for a LBer and playing for a 4-3 team might prove difficult.
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He reads the play well which gives him the appearance that he isn't slow, but the fact is, he is pretty slow for a LBer and playing for a 4-3 team might prove difficult.
Really depends on scheme here, not every 4-3 MLB needs to be able to run like Urlacher in his prime.

If this is an "who should the Eagles" draft question, I honestly have no idea what sort of defensive scheme they were trying to run this year, I'm not sure their coaches or players did either (before anybody says it 'wide 9' is a technique, not a defense.) But that's likely irrelevant since I assume that there will be a new coordinator brought in.
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He reads the play well which gives him the appearance that he isn't slow, but the fact is, he is pretty slow for a LBer and playing for a 4-3 team might prove difficult.
All the times i've seen him i came away thinking James Laurinaitis in terms of physical ability. I'd guess his 40 time at the combine will be in the low to mid 4.7 range.

I think you're right about his instincts, which can make up for some lack of footspeed. I think he breaks on the thrown ball as well as anyone that has come along recently.
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Is this a joke? Kuechly should teach Burfict how to play LB.
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The Eagles at #15 will prevent Kuechly from falling any lower, and might even trade up higher to secure him.
LOL. Andy Reid... draft a linebacker???
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I love Burfict, except for the fact that he's a ******* idiot.
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LOL. Andy Reid... draft a linebacker???
Well, this season demonstrated conclusively that the Eagles must either:
a) improve their linebacker corps.
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b) stop running defensive plays that require top-end play from their linebackers.

It's possible they will do both.
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Kuechly's projected 40 yard dash time is 4.8. If he runs 4.9 or worse, he maybe be a second rounder.
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You guys are really underestimating his athleticism. I'd peg Luke in the 4.67-4.72 range.
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I'd say that's true for both of these guys. They're not Patrick Willis or Urlacher fast, but come on, it doesn't take 4.4 speed to play NFL middle linebacker.
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I think it depends on the team and also the system being used.

If you want a MLB who is going to add leadership that your team lacks and have a player friendly coach then Kuechly is much better.

If you have a well established team with strong leadership in the playing group and perhaps a disciplinarian coach then maybe Burfit is the better option.

For the record I don't see the eagles taking a LB in the first at 15, I think they are more likely to see which LBs are available in the second and third rounds.
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For the record, Vontaze looks like a great athlete to me on film. Might not possess incredible speed, but there's a lot more to "athleticism" than speed. Love his size, and when he hits a runner, or the pile, it just stops. He looks really fluid and powerful. Really natural.

But he's SO DUMB. It's like he needs his mom to be standing there on the sideline to whack him with her purse for every time he jumps on some guy while he's getting up after going out of bounds.

But for all that, I'd actually like him on the Seahawks if he's there at #43. we've already got a solid defense, and he'd really add some serious punch in the middle of the field.
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You guys are really underestimating his athleticism. I'd peg Luke in the 4.67-4.72 range.
Yeah, not buying the 4.8 thing at all. Keuchly well could run low 4.6 too, I don't think he has below average speed.


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I'd say that's true for both of these guys. They're not Patrick Willis or Urlacher fast, but come on, it doesn't take 4.4 speed to play NFL middle linebacker.
There's that too. 4.4 speed certainly helps, but it certainly isn't a requirement.
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I'd say that's true for both of these guys. They're not Patrick Willis or Urlacher fast, but come on, it doesn't take 4.4 speed to play NFL middle linebacker.
Truth. When people talk about Willis they always talk say 'zomg he can make tacklezzz 40 yards downfield' but I really don't give a **** about that. Not to mention teams don't really run much pure Tampa 2 anymore so MLB's aren't asked to drop to the deep middle as much. I want my MIKE backer to be able to control the space 10 yard x 10 yard space in the in the box by having a solid understanding and feel of coverage in the pass game and the ability to meet FB's in the hole, shed blocks and make plays at the line of scrimmage in the run game.

On the topic of Luke, I believe he has the ability to be an even better version of Sean Lee which to me, warrants a Top 20 selection based on impact.
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Well, this season demonstrated conclusively that the Eagles must either:
a) improve their linebacker corps.
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b) stop running defensive plays that require top-end play from their linebackers.

It's possible they will do both.
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The thing about Andy going LB this year is his job kind of depends on it. I'm still not sure it will happen, he's due to go DT and the class is ripe for the picking for him. I'm a certified Andyologist. The only other option is a trade back into the early-mid 2nd, which you can never oppose if you're getting high future picks.

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I don't think its even a question. Kuechly's above and beyond the better prospect. Perhaps not as athletic, but his instincts are almost supernatural. He's ALWAYS in the right place. Meanwhile, Burflict is on the field costing his team stupid penalties that could otherwise be avoided. If given the choice, I hope the Steelers take Kuechly. He's gonna be a great LB for some team.
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