Tim Tebow or Matthew Stafford

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

think about how he has that extra quality that can't really be described, almost as though it was completely fabricated by the media and doesn't actually exist, but it does exist because it has to exist.

The ontological argument for the existence of Tebow's ability to be an NFL quarterback. Very nice.

[tjsunstein]

It's worse than I could have ever imagined.

Attempt at humor isn't so funny.

[CJSchneider]

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Don't worry. You're like 90. You won't have to much longer.

(<3 you CJ!)

[Mr. Goosemahn]

Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...earchid=840296

RPG has been Tebow trolling for a while now. For his excellence in doing such I think he has legitly earned a golden troll award... Congrats!

That is...actually pretty impressive.

[DBNYDP]

I'm a Broncos fan and even believe Tim Tebow might turn into an NFL QB but I'll trade my left nut with Tim Tebow for Matt Stafford.

[noondog]

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

The argument was raised in the other thread that Stafford should have a shot at Tebow, so I decided to continue post whoring and create a second poll to see whether he has a case or not. If you are starting a franchise from scratch who you would you rather have leading your team: Matthew Stafford or Tim Tebow?

My objective analysis for each of the two quarterbacks that will hopefully make your decision easier is below:

Tim Tebow: All he does is win games, sell jerseyz, win national championships, win heismans, praise the lord jesus, make his teammates better, do a really good gator chomp, make good commercials with his mom, not practice premarital sex.

Matthew Stafford: The posterboy for the Detroit Lions, a franchise that loves to lose. He gets injured if you blow on him, he tricked people into thinking Mohammad Massaquoi was worthy of a second round pick in the NFL, he is coached by Jim Schwartz who tells his players to commit unsportsmanlike penalties then gets pissed off when someone shakes his hand too hard.

Utterly ridiculous "analysis". I just have to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were drunk when writing this and trying to be funny. Anyhow, as you stated in the franchise QB thread, you'll let the poll results tell the tale of the tape and I think they have. Let's put this asinine debate to rest. Scoreboard.

[Stash]

Can I change my vote to Tebow?

[SickwithIt1010]

Hope this is a joke...lol

[BeerBaron]

Is this a real ******* question?

[Bulldogs]

Check out RPG's past posts, if you can't see that this is an obvious troll you truly fail. He's no Breed.

[robert pancake gallery]

Originally Posted by noondog

Utterly ridiculous "analysis". I just have to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were drunk when writing this and trying to be funny. Anyhow, as you stated in the franchise QB thread, you'll let the poll results tell the tale of the tape and I think they have. Let's put this asinine debate to rest. Scoreboard.

i'm not disagreeing with you, but as i mentioned earlier in the thread i thought it posed an interesting question as to how much people weigh statistical performance versus actual on field performance; you won't find an argument from me that stafford has more passing yards or touchdowns, but i think you and everyone else would agree that tim tebow won the heisman and was a member of national championship teams, which is what matters in the NFL

another relevant debate that i see thrown around is a player like lebron james who gets all of these great stats, versus a guy like jason terry who scores half as much, yet gives his team a chance to succeed. i'm not saying jason terry is as good as lebron necessarily, but i think if you are starting a new franchise there is going to be that moment of hesitation over whether you choose lebron or terry.

but as you said, the poll results don't lie; i do think it is too small of a sample size to draw any definitive answer to the debate however, and it will probably keep going which is what i think is great about sports: it gives us a chance to argue about who is better than who, and what player is considered the best of all time at a particular sport from different eras and whatnot.

[Bulldogs]

[Bucs_Rule]

Bump this when Tebow wins the Superbowl.

[TimD]

this cant be a real thread...

maybe tim tebow vs mark sanchez

[boknows34]

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

but i think you and everyone else would agree that tim tebow won the heisman and was a member of national championship teams, which is what matters in the NFL.

Um, what? How many national championships and Heismans did Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Montana, Marino, Favre all win?

Gino Torretta, Danny Wuerffel, Jason White, Chris Weinke, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, Ty Detmer, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey ..... has the penny dropped yet?

[Timbathia]

I honestly think that Tebow could become the greatest QB in the history of the NFL at 2 point conversions. Way better than Stafford.

Hang on, what was the question?

[robert pancake gallery]

Originally Posted by boknows34

Um, what? How many national championships and Heismans did Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Montana, Marino, Favre all win?

Gino Torretta, Danny Wuerffel, Jason White, Chris Weinke, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, Ty Detmer, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey ..... has the penny dropped yet?

i get that there are some rare instances where the player through some set of freak circumstances is unable to directly translate his NCAA success to the NFL, but for every eric crouch there is a vinny testaverde

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Originally Posted by boknows34

Um, what? How many national championships and Heismans did Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Montana, Marino, Favre all win?

Gino Torretta, Danny Wuerffel, Jason White, Chris Weinke, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, Ty Detmer, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey ..... has the penny dropped yet?

What about all the other players who never won **** in college? The success rate of QBs with NCs and/or Heismans is way better than those without. Kyle Wright never won **** and he is/was ass. There are like, hundreds upon hundreds of examples.

[nobodyinparticular]

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

it reminds me of a similar debate i have seen in the past with derek jeter vs barry bands; would you rather have derek jeter, the captain of america's team who leads his team to wins because of his superhuman clutch qualities, or would you rather have this big-headed steroid abuser who disobeys jesus? plus throw in how great jeter plays defense (just look at his gold gloves, case closed), and think about how he has that extra quality that can't really be described, almost as though it was completely fabricated by the media and doesn't actually exist, but it does exist because it has to exist.

i'm not saying stanford is barry bands, but he probably has taken steroids at some point.

You're missing the point. The fallacy in this comparison is that Jeter is actually a good baseball player. Tim Tebow is not a good football player.

Example:
Derek Jeter is 8th among active baseball players in career batting average.
Derek Jeter has been top 6 in WAR (among position players) 6 times
Derek Jeter was top 10 in offensive WAR 9 times in 12 seasons from 98-09.
Derek Jeter is 25th ALL TIME in offensive WAR, above Chipper Jones, Ken Griffey Jr, Manny Ramirez and Reggie Jackson (to name a few)

On the other hand:
Tim Tebow makes Chuck Knoblauch look like a dead-eye sharpshooter in the accuracy department
Tim Tebow's accuracy was 34th of 34 this season. There were 2nd stringers better than him.
Tim Tebow's failures in the accuracy department are the worst in DECADES. The last time a passer attempted 250 passes and completed less than 47% of them was Akili Smith in 2000. That Akili Smith. There have been only 20 QBs who have completed the feat since 1967.
Tim Tebow has fumbled a total of 13 times, more than Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan combined

Really, it was a very apt comparison between Jeter and Tebow. There are great similarities between the two. Except Derek Jeter brings tangible, Hall of Fame production to the table while Tim Tebow brings new lows to QB position of the past 20 years.

Good job.

[Brodeur]

I think people are missing how much of a parody this man is.

[Brothgar]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

I think people are missing how much of a parody this man is.

Its hard when he sounds so much like all the real Tebow apologists like Skip Baseless

[BigBanger]

Matt Stafford threw for over 5,000 yards and 41 TDs in his first full season as a starter.

Just throwing that out there.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by broth223

Its hard when he sounds so much like all the real Tebow apologists like Skip Baseless

That's how good parodies work.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Apologists? Maybe because we're apologizing to the rest of the league for being so rude as to introduce such a dominant force into it.