Tim Tebow or Matthew Stafford - Page 4

Crazy_Chris · 01-04-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie

Upon my initial reading of this thread, I thought your Tebow love was all in jest, but apparently not. The only thing Tebow supporters can bring up when discussing him is that he wins. You yourself just basically said Tebow is more of a winner than Stafford.

But Tebow is 7-4 while Stafford is 10-6. Tebow has a slightly higher winning percentage (.636 vs. .625). But how many playoff teams did he beat? None. And who won when the Broncos played the Lions? Oh yeah, Stafford and the Lions by five touchdowns. So similar winning percentages, vastly superior stats,a head-to-head domination, and vastly superior tools are enough to let me say Stafford is better.

This thread was created by an obvious troll. The fact that there are actually a few people that think Tebow is a better QB than Matt Stafford is absolutely shocking.

What SABF is saying about Tebow is in jest...

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Hopefully if Tebow stinks it up this weekend(which we can only assume he will), people will see that the last 4 awful games are far more indicative of who Tebow is than the random 6 game winning streak he pulled from his ass.

That quote is from the Denver Broncos discussion.

Complex · 01-04-2012, 04:56 PM

It's funny how serious some people get over people clearly trolling.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-04-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Or, maybe the logical conclusion was that the rest of the team wasn't pulling their weight, and Brees was winning games, but there are 22 guys on the field at once, and you can't have just one playing great to win.

Excuses, excuses. Denver was 1-4 when Tebow took over. They were in the Andrew Luck race. But it didn't stop him from turning the team around, and putting them in the playoff race.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-04-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

What SABF is saying about Tebow is in jest...

That quote is from the Denver Broncos discussion.

Actually, that is the comment that was in jest.

PackerLegend · 01-04-2012, 05:04 PM

Why would you make such a stupid ****ing obvious *** thread you dumb****.....

Its Tebow obviously :D

Bulldogs · 01-04-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie

Upon my initial reading of this thread, I thought your Tebow love was all in jest, but apparently not. The only thing Tebow supporters can bring up when discussing him is that he wins. You yourself just basically said Tebow is more of a winner than Stafford.

But Tebow is 7-4 while Stafford is 10-6. Tebow has a slightly higher winning percentage (.636 vs. .625). But how many playoff teams did he beat? None. And who won when the Broncos played the Lions? Oh yeah, Stafford and the Lions by five touchdowns. So similar winning percentages, vastly superior stats,a head-to-head domination, and vastly superior tools are enough to let me say Stafford is better.

This thread was created by an obvious troll. The fact that there are actually a few people that think Tebow is a better QB than Matt Stafford is absolutely shocking.

You serious? Tim Tebow is far and away the better passer.

Complex · 01-04-2012, 05:42 PM

If Tebow had Megatron he could do what Stafford is doing and Lob the ball up in the air and have Megatron come down with it. He could easily have 50 TD passes but no he has Eric Decker. Tebow is only a human after all, he can only do so much.

DraftSavant · 01-04-2012, 05:58 PM

Problem, NFL?

boknows34 · 01-04-2012, 05:58 PM

Tebow has used up all his luck already. The clock has struck midnight and, like Suggs said, he simply can't rely on his kicker making 59 yd FGs to win games. That's not a recipe for long-term success.

Observations and notes from the coaches tape.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/c...n-how-to-pass/

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* Tebow running on 3rd down is a significant part of the Broncos offense, It’s one of the only ways they can sustain offense.

* Tebow needs to learn what open is in the NFL, Right now he is not pulling the trigger on primary read throws that are there.

* Broncos run the most elementary and remedial pass game in the NFL re: route combinations and QB reads.

* Broncos got almost exclusive man coverage on the outside and they did not attempt to take advantage of it with Tebow throwing the ball.

* Tebow needs major technique and lower body work throwing the ball; Bad tendency to lift his back leg off the ground before he delivers the ball, That dramatically slows down his arm speed and limits velocity.

* Chiefs approach was to keep Tebow in the pocket and make him throw the ball, They featured a controlled 4 man rush and very little blitzing.

* Tebow at this point is not an anticipation passer, Waits too long to deliver the ball when receivers break open.

* Chiefs did an outstanding job with their outside contain defender preventing Tebow from getting outside an a runner, Tebow was a non-factor as a runner.

Cosell on Stafford:

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/02/c...ing/#more-6000

Stafford has thrown more passes than any quarterback in the league. No quarterback has thrown more passes on third down. That tells you how Jim Schwartz and the offensive staff feel about Stafford. He’s the focal point by choice, the player around whom the success of the Lions revolves.

Stafford is an elite arm talent, capable of making any throw at any time. He has outstanding arm strength, plus the willingness to make tight passes into small windows. He can make those tough third down throws in critical situations against blitz and complex coverage schemes.

The concern with Stafford has been his accuracy, and at times questionable decision-making. He can be erratic and scattershot, and throughout the season, that has led to missed opportunities and turnovers. Certainly, Stafford’s inconsistency has been responsible for some poor offensive performances.

When Stafford is at his best, as he was in the fourth quarter against the Raiders three weeks ago and in the playoff clinching win against San Diego, you see a true lead quarterback who is his team’s centerpiece. As 11 year veteran center Dominic Raiola said after the Chargers win, “You need a great quarterback to win in this league and we got one. He’s the real deal”.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-04-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex

If Tebow had Megatron he could do what Stafford is doing and Lob the ball up in the air and have Megatron come down with it. He could easily have 50 TD passes but no he has Eric Decker. Tebow is only a human after all, he can only do so much.

+1. Decker and Thomas are pretty good young players, but they're no Calvin Johnson. I really think Stafford's accuracy would be exposed if he didn't have a freak to throw to. In fact, looking at the numbers, he completed only 45% of his passes to people who aren't nicknamed after Transformers.

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Originally Posted by boknows34

Tebow has used up all his luck already. The clock has struck midnight and, like Suggs said, he simply can't rely on his kicker making 59 yd FGs to win games. That's not a recipe for long-term success.

Observations and notes from the coaches tape.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/c...n-how-to-pass/

Cosell on Stafford:

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/02/c...ing/#more-6000

Stafford has thrown more passes than any quarterback in the league. No quarterback has thrown more passes on third down. That tells you how Jim Schwartz and the offensive staff feel about Stafford. He’s the focal point by choice, the player around whom the success of the Lions revolves.

Stafford is an elite arm talent, capable of making any throw at any time. He has outstanding arm strength, plus the willingness to make tight passes into small windows. He can make those tough third down throws in critical situations against blitz and complex coverage schemes.

The concern with Stafford has been his accuracy, and at times questionable decision-making. He can be erratic and scattershot, and throughout the season, that has led to missed opportunities and turnovers. Certainly, Stafford’s inconsistency has been responsible for some poor offensive performances.

When Stafford is at his best, as he was in the fourth quarter against the Raiders three weeks ago and in the playoff clinching win against San Diego, you see a true lead quarterback who is his team’s centerpiece. As 11 year veteran center Dominic Raiola said after the Chargers win, “You need a great quarterback to win in this league and we got one. He’s the real deal”.

Stafford is passing the ball because his coaches know that defense isn't great. They're going to need to outscore people, because they aren't gonna be able to win a low-scoring game with that D. The Broncos defense has been playing pretty well, so John Fox knows he can play a more conservative style. Schwarz doesn't have that luxury, so Stafford has to throw more, while Tebow doesn't have to. Tebow could throw every play if he wanted to, but he's willing to sacrifice his numbers in order to win. And the proof is in the pudding, the difference between their winning percentages this year, when extrapolated to a 16 game season results in a difference of almost a 5th of a game. That may not sound like much, but a 5th of a game difference would have swung the AFC West completely.

Raiderz4Life · 01-04-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

+1. Decker and Thomas are pretty good young players, but they're no Calvin Johnson. I really think Stafford's accuracy would be exposed if he didn't have a freak to throw to. In fact, looking at the numbers, he completed only 45% of his passes to people who aren't nicknamed after Transformers. .

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Originally Posted by raiderz4life

I knew he was trolling when he compared tebus to a low-life like Matthew Stafford...it is obvious Tebow is in the Rodgerzzz tier...Stafford is in the..."he only looks good cuz he's throwing to a gtdamn decepticon for christ sake!" tier.

Almost what I said.

DraftSavant · 01-04-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

+1. Decker and Thomas are pretty good young players, but they're no Calvin Johnson. I really think Stafford's accuracy would be exposed if he didn't have a freak to throw to. In fact, looking at the numbers, he completed only 45% of his passes to people who aren't nicknamed after Transformers.

Stafford is passing the ball because his coaches know that defense isn't great. They're going to need to outscore people, because they aren't gonna be able to win a low-scoring game with that D. The Broncos defense has been playing pretty well, so John Fox knows he can play a more conservative style. Schwarz doesn't have that luxury, so Stafford has to throw more, while Tebow doesn't have to. Tebow could throw every play if he wanted to, but he's willing to sacrifice his numbers in order to win. And the proof is in the pudding, the difference between their winning percentages this year, when extrapolated to a 16 game season results in a difference of almost a 5th of a game. That may not sound like much, but a 5th of a game difference would have swung the AFC West completely.

Aliquippa don't miss.

robert pancake gallery · 01-08-2012, 07:08 PM

all he does is win gamez.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-08-2012, 07:13 PM

Tebow 1-0 Stafford 0-1.

Tebow 3 TD 0 TO Stafford 4 TD 2 TO

Steelers #1 Pass defense #1 overall defense.

Sains #30 pass defense #30 overall.

Stafford has Calvin Johnson, Tebow's #1 receiver was out for the game in the 1st Q....

Tebow throws for more yards than anybody this season against the Steelers...

Those are all facts.

Complex · 01-08-2012, 07:13 PM

I was going to bump this thread

Tebow>>>>Stafford and Jay Cutler

Stafford and Jay have won a combined 0 championships in college and the pros. Tebow has 2 championships.

Tebow has won a hesiman and the other 2 have won nothing

Stafford and Cutler have won 1 playoff game combined against the 7-9 seahawks. Tebow beat the 12-4 steelers.

Tebow>>>Stafford

WinslowBodden · 01-08-2012, 07:14 PM

Tebowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

robert pancake gallery · 01-08-2012, 07:37 PM

i had a moment to reflect on today's game, after witnessing stafford fall flat and seeing tebow triumph it also occurred to me that there is another element to this debate:

demaryius thomas vs. calvin johnson; both georgia tech wide receiver products, both first round picks. i always thought calvin was the better yellowjacket, but i guess part of that was having the great reggie ball throw him passes in college. i feel like some of tebow's magic is rubbing off on thomas and he is now what i would consider to be an elite wide receiver. all he does is catch game winnerz.

BloodBrother · 01-08-2012, 07:39 PM

Tebow>Matt Ryan>Joe Flacco

dude winzzzz in the playoffs

Bulldogs · 01-08-2012, 07:42 PM

Tebow > Matt Flynn > Aaron Rodgers

niel89 · 01-08-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Tebow>Matt Ryan>Joe Flacco

dude winzzzz in the playoffs

Hey if its playoff winzzz then Flacco>Ryan :D

BloodBrother · 01-08-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs

Tebow > Matt Flynn >Alex Smith> Aaron Rodgers

FTFY(10. char)

J-Mike88 · 01-08-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Tebow 1-0 Stafford 0-1.

Tebow 3 TD 0 TO Stafford 3 TD 2 TO

Steelers #1 Pass defense #1 overall defense.

Sains #30 pass defense #30 overall.

Stafford has Calvin Johnson, Tebow's #1 receiver was out for the game in the 1st Q....

Tebow throws for more yards than anybody this season against the Steelers...

Those are all facts.

Those are all facts, and they are in the record books now.
But Stafford still throws a prettier ball, and doesn't have as long a windup as Tebow or Matty Ice.
Isn't that more important than playoff wins?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-08-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Those are all facts, and they are in the record books now.
But Stafford still throws a prettier ball, and doesn't have as long a windup as Tebow or Matty Ice.
Isn't that more important than playoff wins?

I guess if you're a draft evaluator. But if you're a draft evaluator, Brady Quinn looked a lot better than Tim Tebow.

Just like he did tonight, when Tebow was out dirtying himself and working up a sweat, Quinn was looking calm and handsome on that bench.

WinslowBodden · 01-08-2012, 08:50 PM

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

IS THIS NOT WHY YOU WERE HERE?

King Carls 5 Year Plan · 01-08-2012, 08:54 PM

this is the greatest thread ever.

the mark of the Beast and he has risen. i thought Tebow was the Son of God and turns out he maybe the Antichrist. it makes so much sense now. how could i have been so nearsighted?

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The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to a leader who fulfills Biblical prophecies concerning an adversary of Christ, while resembling him in a deceptive manner. The antichrist will seemingly provide for the needs of the people but deny them ultimate salvation.

for this reason, Tebow is far greater than anyone could ever imagine.