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Old 01-10-2012, 01:21 PM    (permalink
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the good thing about this is at least we are just starting with a blank slate right now.. If we'd kept Hue, the questions would continue. Now McKenzie is gonna put in all of his guys and we should have consistency for the next # of years. This will now be McKenzie's team.
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After Hue sold us out with that Palmer trade, he needed to kick rocks. Now we can dump Palmer too.
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After Hue sold us out with that Palmer trade, he needed to kick rocks. Now we can dump Palmer too.
Then have what at QB? Jason Campbell again? Pryor already? We can't draft a good one this year without a 1st so maybe we try to win the Barkley sweepstakes in the 2013 draft....
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Then have what at QB? Jason Campbell again? Pryor already? We can't draft a good one this year without a 1st so maybe we try to win the Barkley sweepstakes in the 2013 draft....
Matt Flynn? You have an ex-Packer as GM, probably will hire a Packers coach as HC..makes sense.
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Matt Flynn? You have an ex-Packer as GM, probably will hire a Packers coach as HC..makes sense.
I don't feel to good about Flynn as a starting QB. Look at Schaub and Cassel, both have been decent at times but aren't anywhere close to being top 10 QB's in the league. Palmer IMO is a better option then Flynn, but McKenzie likes doesn't agree. I just hope that if we sign Flynn, that it isn't as long as Kolb's contract. If a 3 year deal could be worked out, I would alright with the signing...
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Idk how i feel about this...hopefully its for the best.
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I don't feel to good about Flynn as a starting QB. Look at Schaub and Cassel, both have been decent at times but aren't anywhere close to being top 10 QB's in the league. Palmer IMO is a better option then Flynn, but McKenzie likes doesn't agree. I just hope that if we sign Flynn, that it isn't as long as Kolb's contract. If a 3 year deal could be worked out, I would alright with the signing...
Woah...you are waaaay underselling Schaub. Schaub has proved to be a pretty damn good QB.
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Then have what at QB? Jason Campbell again? Pryor already? We can't draft a good one this year without a 1st so maybe we try to win the Barkley sweepstakes in the 2013 draft....
Palmer isn't better than Jason Campbell...and Pryor isn't even in the picture atm.
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HC Winston Moss
OC ????
DC Darren Perry

Hopefully we can bring in a OC that can use the young talent we have on offense, our WR's have been improving and if DMC can be healthy we can still make some noise in the West next season.
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HC Joe Philbin- Current Packers OC, has had top 10 ranked offense for past 3 seasons.
OC Tom Clements- Ton of coaching experience and could look for a promotion.
DC Darren Perry-Coached in Oakland before and has won Super Bowls as a player and coach 3 times.

If Philbin gets the job at HC I wouldn't be surprised to see Flynn be brought in, but if Moss is the new HC the odds drop some for Flynn.
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Not happy with it, Hue was good with the offense...but I'm sure this happened because Hue is a stubborn **** and he wanted to be involved with more than just being a HC, so I'm not surprised.
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Woah...you are waaaay underselling Schaub. Schaub has proved to be a pretty damn good QB.
He's never got his team to the playoffs(only played half the season this year), and he always struggled when Andre Johnson was out. He is surrounded by a top 3 rushing attack and a top 5 defense. Plus having a top 5 WR to throw too isnt bad either. Even having all of that he didn't put up that good of numbers.

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Palmer isn't better than Jason Campbell...and Pryor isn't even in the picture atm.
You have to be kidding. Palmer turned the ball over more, but he is a much better pass all around and a better leader as well IMO. Campbell had DMC behind him and did limit what Hue could do at times on offense. Palmer started to improve in different area's each week and I'd rather keep him than Campbell at this moment.
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Expect Winston Moss to be named Head Coach and like someone else surmised earlier I expect Matt Flynn to be brought in this offseason.

I liked Hue Jackson though. He seems like a good coach.
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Palmer flat out stunk most of his time here. Horrible decision maker.
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I kinda missed Campbell...a lot...the last few games we played. Yea he wasn't spectacular but at least he didn't throw 3 picks a game.
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Comcast SportsNet's Henry Wofford talked with Jackson, who said he is shocked by what happened.

Jackson told Wofford that he was called into Reggie McKenzie's office and was told that the team no longer needs his services.

When Jackson asked why, McKenzie responded that he was starting from scratch and bringing in his own guys. Jackson also asked if he was being let go because of his coaching or his relationship with players. McKenzie would not provide details, but said it has nothing to do with his reportedly bad relationship with the players.

Said Jackson to Wofford: "Come on Henry, you know I did everything possible to keep my job. McKenzie said I was not in his plans for the future and he basically wants to gut this place."
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That is exactly what you guys need to get over the hump unfortunately.
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Jason Campbell was getting worse. He was making a lot more bad decisions than he did in the first few games. Palmer made some bad throws/picks, but he also made some unbelievable throws that no one else that we'd be able to get could make.
Palmer played a hell of a lot better this season than his TD/INT #s indicated.

This coming from a person that thought Palmer was DONE when we traded for him.
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Campbell is nothing better than average. Every year some excuse is made for him not reaching his potential. I watched him enough in DC to know what he is...a good guy but an avg at best QB. Palmer should stay in OAK, he seems to be gelling with the young WR corp. Getting McFadden back should help as well. They mortgaged their future for Palmer.

As for Hue Jackson, I kind of felt that last year he had something to do with Cable getting canned. I liked his brash personality/ but I think McKenzie saw a power struggle waiting to happen...Hue seemed to want full control of everything in the Raiders organization.
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Al Davis hired 'yes men' as his HC's. Anytime a HC challenged Al's authority, he was replaced. Hue Jackson was just another 'yes man' in Al Davis's hires. He should be dumped and a real HC hired if MacKenzie wants to make a serious Super Bowl run and put his stamp on this franchise, otherwise Oakland is just wasting another year of Palmer's career.
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I think this is a good move for the Raiders long term. Expect a lot of trading back in the draft the next few years in order to build depth and develop McKenzie's core of players.

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HC Joe Philbin- Current Packers OC, has had top 10 ranked offense for past 3 seasons.
OC Tom Clements- Ton of coaching experience and could look for a promotion.
DC Darren Perry-Coached in Oakland before and has won Super Bowls as a player and coach 3 times.

If Philbin gets the job at HC I wouldn't be surprised to see Flynn be brought in, but if Moss is the new HC the odds drop some for Flynn.
I'd like to think that if Philbin were named head coach, Clements would stay in Green Bay to be OC. Also, who know if Philbin would want a head coaching job right now considering what he just went through. Very well may want to stay in Wisconsin at this point and not move his family

As a Packer fan this makes me nervous that McKenzie could bring in Moss and then raid the Packers coaching staff. Keep in mind though that Packer coaches can't be interviewed until after they're out of the playoffs (week off before Superbowl may be exception).
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Silly Raiders.

It's a wonder any one takes that job any more. This will be their 8th HC since 2001.
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I think this is a good move for the Raiders long term. Expect a lot of trading back in the draft the next few years in order to build depth and develop McKenzie's core of players.



I'd like to think that if Philbin were named head coach, Clements would stay in Green Bay to be OC. Also, who know if Philbin would want a head coaching job right now considering what he just went through. Very well may want to stay in Wisconsin at this point and not move his family

As a Packer fan this makes me nervous that McKenzie could bring in Moss and then raid the Packers coaching staff. Keep in mind though that Packer coaches can't be interviewed until after they're out of the playoffs (week off before Superbowl may be exception).
Eh, Moss can go. If Darren Perry goes back to Oakland with Moss or hell, he becomes the coach himself(he or Moss have been rumored as possible head coaches for them), I'd hope GB promotes Joe Whitt to take over for Perry
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Eh, Moss can go. If Darren Perry goes back to Oakland with Moss or hell, he becomes the coach himself(he or Moss have been rumored as possible head coaches for them), I'd hope GB promotes Joe Whitt to take over for Perry
The guy that I'm most worried about losing is Clements. He's done a great job with the QBs.
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Here is an idea to get rid of Palmer now, trade him to Seattle. Pete Carrol needs a QB and he could pull a Hue Jackson and trade a draft pick for Carson. The Seahawks are desperate for a QB, Tavaris Jackson is a back up at best and this team can be a wildcard contender easily with Palmer under center. If he Raiders could get away with a 1st or 2nd I'd be happy.
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