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Old 01-10-2012, 04:05 PM    (permalink
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Here is an idea to get rid of Palmer now, trade him to Seattle. Pete Carrol needs a QB and he could pull a Hue Jackson and trade a draft pick for Carson. The Seahawks are desperate for a QB, Tavaris Jackson is a back up at best and this team can be a wildcard contender easily with Palmer under center. If he Raiders could get away with a 1st or 2nd I'd be happy.
In what ways is Carson Palmer significantly better than Tarvaris Jackson? I wouldn't even take on the extra salary.
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Carrol isn't as stupid as Hue....we probably would get a 3rd and that is the absolute best case scenario all planets lined up solar eclipse type deal.
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Raiders fans need to consider that Palmer's contract is 12.5 million dollars in 2012, 13 million in 2013 and 15 million in 2014.

Even if you had to give up NO draft picks, would you even want that?
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Yeah, the Seahawks already hired the GB guy who loves to trade down to be their GM two years ago. They are not going to give up anything close to what the Raiders gave up and the Raiders arent going to give up Palmer for pennies on the dollar.
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Yeah, the Seahawks already hired the GB guy who loves to trade down to be their GM two years ago. They are not going to give up anything close to what the Raiders gave up and the Raiders arent going to give up Palmer for pennies on the dollar.
Carrol had a pretty bad draft last year IMO, and he could feel pressured into getting a starting caliber QB like Palmer, who he is confortable with since he played for him at USC. Tavaris Jackson is a joke IMO, and to those who say Palmer isn't an upgrade over Jackson clearly didn't see Palmer play this season. His INT numbers are high but he played better then what his stats show. The Raiders offense is still young and suffered a lot of injuries to key players. DMC out for 9 games, DHB/Moore/Ford/Murphy all missed game this year, and not having a defense that can stop the other teams offense really made Palmer have to play out of his confort zone.

QB's always get trade for more then what they are worth, and Seattle could feel like if they get a QB who could potentially be the next Matt Hasselbeck type QB for this organization. They have the RB, decent WR group, improving defense, but they are just missing the QB to make a run with.
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Carrol had a pretty bad draft last year IMO, and he could feel pressured into getting a starting caliber QB like Palmer, who he is confortable with since he played for him at USC. Tavaris Jackson is a joke IMO, and to those who say Palmer isn't an upgrade over Jackson clearly didn't see Palmer play this season. His INT numbers are high but he played better then what his stats show. The Raiders offense is still young and suffered a lot of injuries to key players. DMC out for 9 games, DHB/Moore/Ford/Murphy all missed game this year, and not having a defense that can stop the other teams offense really made Palmer have to play out of his confort zone.

QB's always get trade for more then what they are worth, and Seattle could feel like if they get a QB who could potentially be the next Matt Hasselbeck type QB for this organization. They have the RB, decent WR group, improving defense, but they are just missing the QB to make a run with.
Answer my questions. If Palmer is starter quality and Jackson is a joke, why? And why is Palmer worth 12.5 million dollars + draft pick?
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Carrol had a pretty bad draft last year IMO, and he could feel pressured into getting a starting caliber QB like Palmer, who he is confortable with since he played for him at USC. Tavaris Jackson is a joke IMO, and to those who say Palmer isn't an upgrade over Jackson clearly didn't see Palmer play this season. His INT numbers are high but he played better then what his stats show. The Raiders offense is still young and suffered a lot of injuries to key players. DMC out for 9 games, DHB/Moore/Ford/Murphy all missed game this year, and not having a defense that can stop the other teams offense really made Palmer have to play out of his confort zone.

QB's always get trade for more then what they are worth, and Seattle could feel like if they get a QB who could potentially be the next Matt Hasselbeck type QB for this organization. They have the RB, decent WR group, improving defense, but they are just missing the QB to make a run with.
They got 2 very good starters on defense in Richard Sherman and KJ Wright. They also got their leading receiver as a UDFA. Coupled that with the very good draft they had last year, I'm pretty sure no one is complaining about their talent evaluation.

And Pete isnt Steve Spurrier part 2. Multiple times he's passed on higher rated USC prospects to draft players from the same position from rival schools. The only USC guys they have on their roster are Mike Willams, backup TE and 2 backup LBs. He's shown zero inclination to have his guys from the past around.
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Media at press conference seems "surprised" that Hue was fired. This is a culture overhaul. This is not a shock.
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Answer my questions. If Palmer is starter quality and Jackson is a joke, why? And why is Palmer worth 12.5 million dollars + draft pick?
You can cut him after next season without a cap hit, and I'm sure they can get enough room to do that. Teams are always desperate for QBs and would you rather have Palmer on a 1 year deal with a option for future years or draft a guy like Ryan Tannehill who IMO is about as good of a prospect as Christian Ponder(who will take atleast another 2 years before he becomes a good NFL QB).
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Here is my recap of the press conference:

McKenzie will take as long as it takes to find the right guy for the Head Coaching job, and the process to find one begins now. McKenzie also likes Palmer, but admits the Bengals got the better of us in the trade down the line. He knows we don't have enough picks, but don't be surprised for him to try and get more. McKenzie believes an organization starts from the top down, and has to be a "chain of command". Everything will be looked into, the expectations didn't get reached. McKenzie likes both the 3-4 and 4-3 defense. Mark Davis will consult with McKenzie in finding the new Head Coach, but McKenzie will have the main control in the personel moves. McKenzie wants a system that works and gets win, doesn't mean he will go with 100% with Packers schemes. Mark Davis seems to regret the Palmer trade, had to be done too fast and it had to be done. McKenzie feels like he is back home now with the Raiders, the job couldn't be passed up and he is excited to be apart of this organziation. McKenzie will evaluate everything, no quick decisions. He doesn't want to give up a player and see them go be a Pro Bowl player somewhere else. He promises to improve every part of this team. Mark Davis doesn't think he will sell his fathers team and legacy. Mark Davis is looking into a new stadium, either in Oakland, the 49ers new stadium or potential other area's(L.A.). Mark feels injuries really hurt this team a lot, thinks we could have won the division. McKenzie wants to bring great communication to the team, have one goal to win football games. McKenzie knows how to get the job done, he is ready to roll up his sleeves and get the Raiders to be better. The top prioroity is to get the personel staff together, then the team better. McKenzie ready for the draft process, he wants to try and upgrade every area to get the best group of players. Both Campbell and Palmer will looked at, McKenzie believes competition is vital. Palmer isn't protected and if we can upgrade we will.
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I honestly think you're vastly overrating Palmer.
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I'm kind of up in the air with the Hue firing. If he was trying to get more control and the GM saw a possible power struggle developing, then that is perfectly understandable. There were times during the season when I questioned some of Hue's in-game decisions (not taking points early in a game, getting a little pass happy at times) and he also did not fix the Raiders discipline problems.

I like that McKenzie is rebuilding this staff from the ground up, I think that will benefit the Raiders in the long run and help change the culture with the team. The part I'm worried about is the offense in general. Hue really did a great job turning that into our strength, but who knows what happens now. He may not be a great HC, but he was a damn good OC for us.
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I think hue is a good coach, but when he got gm powers, he gott crazy with all that power, and I think he wouldve stayed but throwing your team under the bus, and the type of personality would clash with Mckenzie, Oakland got good pieces but damnnn they gott rid of this bs first, hopefully it already happened
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You can cut him after next season without a cap hit, and I'm sure they can get enough room to do that. Teams are always desperate for QBs and would you rather have Palmer on a 1 year deal with a option for future years or draft a guy like Ryan Tannehill who IMO is about as good of a prospect as Christian Ponder(who will take atleast another 2 years before he becomes a good NFL QB).
That's what Tarvaris Jackson is. A guy who will be half decent while you're grooming someone else. Palmer is no better than that, and he's older.
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It's a wonder any one takes that job any more. This will be their 8th HC since 2001.
This was something that had to be done.
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Former Raiders exec Michael Lombardi is not surprised by the move and says it brings much needed change.

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We used to have a saying at the Raiders when I worked there: "The jungle is never dangerous as long as you know the trails." With Reggie McKenzie coming on board as the new "football man" in Oakland, it appears that there no longer is going to be a jungle. The entire Raider organization is about to transform.

Only days after being named general manager, McKenzie took swift action in letting everyone know who holds the power, firing coach Hue Jackson before even meeting the media. McKenzie needs to start fresh and build his own organization, and to do that properly he needed his own man in the head chair.

When Al Davis died in October, everyone knew there would be change coming to the Raiders. It had to happen, too, because change was something Davis never embraced. Things were done in an old style, an old manner, and because Davis had success doing things his own way, he was never willing to adjust to the new era. Davis would often talk to me about how he wanted to change the way we operated. That was his way of letting me know he knew what I was thinking, but it was not going to happen.

Now, the Raiders will embark on a new era, one that will have some lineage to the old days, but clearly become more modern. Because McKenzie comes from Green Bay, expect the Packer infrastructure to come to town. The Packers operate in a traditional manner -- the GM runs the football side, the coaches coach, the scouts scout and everyone knows their role. McKenzie will set up shop the same way in Oakland because this is what he knows and this is what makes him most comfortable. And comfort is important when you have never had the authority that has been bestowed upon him.

Jackson was a casualty of this new era. He tried to be the leader and fill the void when Davis died. But in reality, he tried too hard. I think Jackson had the right idea but chose the wrong course of action. He alienated too many people in the building and was seen as too self-serving. General Mark Welsh once said, "Leadership is a gift given by those who follow." Jackson was losing followers each day.

I am strongly of the belief that a new head coach must assume a different style and perspective when he moves from an assistant chair to the head chair. When I hear people say Packers coach Mike McCarthy has changed since becoming a head coach, it makes me realize he understands the responsibility. This is the reason why McCarthy has been able to be so successful. So the change by Jackson was warranted, but not in the manner he went about it.

McKenzie will run the Raiders his way. He knows he has to bring in some new blood, but he also should know there are some outstanding people in the building who are looking for leadership and guidance and want to help the franchise win. The worst decision McKenzie can make is to blindly clean everyone out. He needs to take his time and evaluate the people already in place and allow them an opportunity to either shine or resist change.

These changes are for the best and McKenzie can start his new career without any obstacles or road blocks. Time is of the essence. Had McKenzie waited like Mike Holmgren did in Cleveland, he would be a year behind. McKenzie starts fresh so he can start fast.

Would Al Davis have been happy with this succession plan? No one will ever know. All Davis would care about is winning and having a team that put fear into opponents. That is McKenzie's charge now.
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Well... This is interesting... I have three thoughts on this decision the McKenzie made to clean house.

1) There certainly were pros and cons to Hue Jackson as head coach

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a. Huge part of the offensive rebirth in Oakland. Offense was horrible for years and Hue brought life to the offense.
b. Seemed to have the respect of the Raiders players through the season.
c. Fate seemed tied to Carson Palmer. There is so much invested in Palmer they are getting rid of him. Might as well keep the coach who wanted him here.
d. Continuity in the face of so many changes is important.
e. Had become the face of the franchise after Al's passing.

Cons:
a. For as good as he was with the team through the season, there are reports that he began to lose the team at the end of the season.
b. Team discipline was clearly an issue. Some fans may say Raiders get picked on, but you can't argue offsides, false start or delay of game and the Raiders had way too many of those too.
c. Made some idiotic decisions in-game. Like the deep pass on 3rd down with 2 min to go against Detroit.
d. Seemed to get too power-hungry when Al passed away, trying to play GM, HC, OC, QB coach, etc.
e. The decision to take his request for power to the media just isn't the way to do things. Madden and Wolf reportedly did not like that.
f. 1-4 to close the season when even 2-3 would win the division is just awful.

Clearly there were plenty of reasons to keep him and plenty of reasons to get rid of him. I would have rather kept him for another year with the hope that he could be on board with McKenzie's personnel leadership and maybe with a less-crazy year and less on his plate he would perform better. However, if he just couldn't see himself falling under the power of McKenzie he had to go immediately.

2) McKenzie certainly has a case for wanting a clean slate. The Raiders, for the past four and a half decades, have been working with the same formula as they try to win. It has worked in the past, but throughout the years, this formula has merely been tweaked here and there with new variables (mostly head coaches and coordinators) being added. This left the formula both out of date and unworkably fudged. With this in mind, wiping the slate absolutely clean and starting a new formula isn't such a bad idea.

3) The up-front issues with the Oakland Raiders were certainly out of date, but the unseen parts of the inner workings are even worse. For example, the scouting department was almost non-existent, the chain of command in every area began and ended with Al, the medical equipment and scouting was out of date and most people involved are either too old or not qualified to do the job.

Reggie McKenzie needs to go through, top to bottom, and fully assess the inner workings of the staffing and personnel. Mark Davis need to go through, top to bottom, and fully assess the inner workings of the structure, medical equipment and operations side of the organization. And the head coach needs to be able to fall in line with this method of thinking. It was clear that Hue's view of leadership was much closer to Al's view of leadership--get your hands on everything so that you can make things work your way. McKenzie's here to change that style into a structured order and Mark Davis is also on board with that. As that structure modernized, so too will the behind-the-scenes pieces. But the head coach needs to be on board with that. I'm not saying Hue Jackson would have complained if Mark and McKenzie brought in new, state-of-the-art medical equipment, but it seemed Hue wanted to have his hands on everything. Reggie McKenzie's structure does not provide for that type of head coaching control.
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In the end, I can get on board with the decision. I am very excited as it seems Mark Davis is going to strive to modernize this franchise in a way that it very much needed to be modernized. People can say "This is what makes them the Raiders" but this is in no way the Raiders franchise of July 25, 1966-Oct 8 2011. This is a new direction under new leadership which is very strictly contrasted to every coaching change in the past--because Al Davis was still in control and a change in head coach was generally without effect on any other part of the organization. And yet as the Raiders clean house, they can still pay homage to the great legacy of the Raiders past. One way they will do this is by bringing in old Raider connections including Ron Wolf and John Madden advising Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie a former Raider himself as the general manager and perhaps another former Raider in Winston Moss to be the head coach.

I'm looking forward to what this change brings to the organization.
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After much deliberation, I've decided that firing Hue Jackson was the right move. Unfortunately.

Jackson had become far too powerful since Al's passing, and the longer he stayed on, the messier things were going to get with trying to put together a proper front office.

Mark Davis is smart to recognize that he doesn't have it in him to juggle all of the responsibilities his father had and that Hue Jackson shouldn't have GM-power.

It sucks to fire Hue because he's done some great things for the organization, but in order to build long-term and have a functional staff (FO & coaching combined), he had to go.
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Everyone is talking about what this means for the coaching staff, but I want to know what you do with the players right now.

It's clear McKenzie is going for a full reboot. By rebuilding the coaching staff, you have to figure the team is going to go through some struggles on the football side. Do you try to keep puttering along and hope the veterans on this team help push them through to achieve, or do you begin to sell off your assets for draft picks to start over on the field too?

As it comes to their salary cap, the Raiders are VERY top heavy. They have a few contracts that take up a lot of space. These guys are Richard Seymour, Kamerion Wimbley, Carson Palmer, Stanford Routt, Michael Huff and then a few others. Of course the recent draft picks are also expensive between McClain, McFadden and DHB. If you can, do you try to get whatever you can (3rd rounder?) for Seymour? Would you cut Wimbley? Trade Routt for a 6th?

How do the Raiders approach the player personnel side of this transition?
How would you approach it?
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Everyone is talking about what this means for the coaching staff, but I want to know what you do with the players right now.

It's clear McKenzie is going for a full reboot. By rebuilding the coaching staff, you have to figure the team is going to go through some struggles on the football side. Do you try to keep puttering along and hope the veterans on this team help push them through to achieve, or do you begin to sell off your assets for draft picks to start over on the field too?

As it comes to their salary cap, the Raiders are VERY top heavy. They have a few contracts that take up a lot of space. These guys are Richard Seymour, Kamerion Wimbley, Carson Palmer, Stanford Routt, Michael Huff and then a few others. Of course the recent draft picks are also expensive between McClain, McFadden and DHB. If you can, do you try to get whatever you can (3rd rounder?) for Seymour? Would you cut Wimbley? Trade Routt for a 6th?

How do the Raiders approach the player personnel side of this transition?
How would you approach it?
Go back in time and don't trade a first and second rounder for Carson Palmer.
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Don Banks at cnnsi pulls no punches on Hue Jackson.

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The Hue Jackson error in Oakland is over, and as it turns out, maybe the Raiders are starting to make progress after all.

Jackson's firing on Tuesday after just one tumultuous season represents a clean break of sorts in Oakland, from the way things were done when Al Davis ran the whole show for decades, to the way business will now be conducted with new Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie in charge.

Jackson was the last coaching hire of Davis, the iconic Raiders owner who died in early October at 82. And his dismissal is now the first move made by McKenzie, the respected former Green Bay personnel executive who promises to bring some sense of sanity, accountability and a more traditional mode of NFL operations to Oakland.

I haven't even heard his introductory press conference yet, but I like what I've seen from McKenzie so far.

As a head coach, I thought Jackson was a fraud, and the kind of guy who had no qualms maneuvering behind the back of former Raiders head coach Tom Cable, even while he was serving as Cable's offensive coordinator in 2010. Jackson talked colorfully and confidently, and was masterful at the art of self-promotion and the cultivation of media members. But he kind of showed his true self in that damaging season-wrap-up press conference he gave the day after his Raiders melted down at home against San Diego in Week 17, costing themselves the AFC West title and Oakland's first playoff berth since 2002.

Jackson went on a tirade, repeatedly speaking of how "pissed'' he was at his team for the loss, shirking any meaningful effort to take responsibility for the season-defining defeat, and basically throwing his defensive coaching staff under the bus in the process.

Remarkably tone deaf when he needed an acute sense of his own vulnerability and lack of accountability, Jackson vowed to "take a stronger hand in this whole organization,'' to ensure that the same underachieving scenario never unfolded again for his Raiders, who started the year 7-4 but lost four of their final five games to record their ninth consecutive non-winning season.

Nice try, Hue. Instead of more authority, Jackson got shown the door. And that in and of itself is reason for hope in Oakland. McKenzie, a former Raiders linebacker in the 1980s, comes to town after serving 18 years in the Green Bay front office. He knows what a successful NFL team looks like, and how one operates. And most importantly, he knows how an NFL head coach should think, sound and conduct himself. I'm pretty sure Jackson went 0-for-3 on that front.

Jackson has already spouted off to a local Bay Area media outlet in the wake of his firing, saying McKenzie "is going to gut this place,'' adding that the Raiders' new GM "wants to bring in his own guys. No job is safe right now.''

News flash: That's typically how it works when an NFL franchise hires a new general manager. He gets the right to bring in his own head coach, and his own people, and to "gut'' the place if necessary. Just because Oakland was the exception to the rule of how NFL teams operated during Davis' long and often bizarre fiefdom -- at least in the final decade of his life -- doesn't mean Jackson passes for credible when he tries to make the normal sound like the aberration.

And if a new GM decides the head coach is more of a liability than an asset, he goes, too, especially if he's coming off an underachieving 8-8 season in which an almost certain playoff berth was squandered in the weakest of divisions.

A team is a reflection of its head coach, and Jackson's Raiders were undisciplined and sloppy on the job, breaking NFL records for both penalties and penalty yardage in 2011. Oakland was often its own worst enemy, and that too is a trait Jackson shared, with his blatant grabs for power within the organization, his inability to take overall responsibility for the product on the field, and his highly debatable decision to mortgage the team's draft future in trading for quarterback Carson Palmer in October.

If Jackson thought his track record this season made him deserving of even more authority within the organization, then he was only judging by the same general state of dysfunction that has ruled the Raiders for most of the past decade. With McKenzie quickly recognizing Jackson for what he was, Oakland actually just took a significant step away from its dysfunctional ways and toward progress.

In Oakland, doing things the way they've always been done hasn't worked of late. And finally someone noticed. Jackson's one costly year on the job will set the Raiders back on the draft front, but not as much as if McKenzie had not had the courage to cut the team's losses and move on.

In Cable's final season of 2010, Oakland's 8-8 really did register as progress, being the first time in eight years the Raiders avoided a double-digit loss season. Jackson's 8-8 season, with its late-season collapse and dubious Palmer trade, will go down in Oakland history as a failure.

Firing a head coach who seemingly just got to town is a typical Raiders move. But that doesn't mean it's always the wrong call. This time, Oakland got it right. With Jackson gone, the McKenzie era is off to a very good start.
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Everyone is talking about what this means for the coaching staff, but I want to know what you do with the players right now.

It's clear McKenzie is going for a full reboot. By rebuilding the coaching staff, you have to figure the team is going to go through some struggles on the football side. Do you try to keep puttering along and hope the veterans on this team help push them through to achieve, or do you begin to sell off your assets for draft picks to start over on the field too?

As it comes to their salary cap, the Raiders are VERY top heavy. They have a few contracts that take up a lot of space. These guys are Richard Seymour, Kamerion Wimbley, Carson Palmer, Stanford Routt, Michael Huff and then a few others. Of course the recent draft picks are also expensive between McClain, McFadden and DHB. If you can, do you try to get whatever you can (3rd rounder?) for Seymour? Would you cut Wimbley? Trade Routt for a 6th?

How do the Raiders approach the player personnel side of this transition?
How would you approach it?
Considering some of the absurd contracts the Raiders have given out, I don't think they have many valuable assets to trade.
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Considering some of the absurd contracts the Raiders have given out, I don't think they have many valuable assets to trade.
And if they can't get anything out of them, do you cut them? (like Wimbley, etc.)
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- McKenzie is trying to revitalize the entire Raider organization. He is going to install an actual scouting department. Up to this point, the Raider scouting department consisted of Al Davis and his stop watch and a few former players who became scouts. For 48 years, Davis was the general manager, head scout, head of pro player personnel, head of everything. There was no room for another voice.

- McKenzie is going to break the Raider tradition (aka: Al's way) of hiring all the assistants before the Head Coach. He will name his Head Coach first and then allow that individual to hire his entire staff. This has never happened in Oakland. Not even Jon Gruden was allowed to hire his own defensive coordinator or special teams coaches. Al did this all for him. All of Hue Jackson's coaches were hired last year before he was offered the job.

- I think Hue's mouth and ego talked his way out of Oakland. In an interview following the Week 17 loss to the Chargers, he demanded to be a part of the "GM search" along with new owner Mark Davis. Its clear that the power Jackson suddenly found himself with after Davis' death had gone completely to his head which I'm sure pissed off Davis. Hue should have simply kept his mouth shut and accepted that he would work with anyone that Davis deemed fit be General Manager, rather than demanding to be a part of the process.

- Most new GM's want to bring in their own guy in their first year. Remember when Mike Holmgren stuck with Mangini for his first year in Cleveland? That didn't work out too well and only delayed his "project" with a wasted year. McKenzie learned from that experience. Like he said in the press conference "I want to bring my own guy in." No nonsense attitude.

- Hue was and still will be for another team a very good Offensive Co-ordinator. He had a potent offense, even with the injuries, but didn't prove himself to be solid head coach. Oakland broke the league record for penalties and penalty yardage after Hue claimed all season long that he would "fix it" or be held "accountable." Well....he was held accountable. The Raiders were 7-4 after beating the Bears and needed to only win 2 more games to make the playoffs. What was Hue's response? Getting waxed by Miami with a lame duck head coach, getting killed in Green Bay, losing at home to Detroit after being up 13 in the 4th Quarter and the icing on the cake was losing at home to San Diego to lose the division and playoff spot. How did Hue hold himself accountable following these embarrassing losses? He conducts a post game interview where he calls out the defense, the coaches, players, organization, etc. He barely ever acknowledges his own faults and throws everyone under the bus. That's not how a NFL coach handles a loss and Madden and Wolf were certainly not impressed.

- These are the sort of changes that many Raider fans have been calling on for 15 years. Everything is changing in Oakland...the culture, attitude, organization, coaches, scouts, future stadium deals, etc. The Raiders have finally entered the modern era of professional football and its far too long overdue.
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And if they can't get anything out of them, do you cut them? (like Wimbley, etc.)
I don't know enough about the specifics of the Raiders salary cap position (other than they are over), but I don't think you cut productive veterans unless you have someone capable of replacing them. Having given up so many draft picks, I don't think that would be the case for the Raiders.
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