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Old 01-10-2012, 09:02 AM    (permalink
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Matt Ryan went to a team that had never had consecutive winning seasons. Now they have had four consecutive winning seasons and playoff appearances in 3 of 4 years.

Jake Long's team is 31-33 with one playoff appearance (and that was when Tom Brady was out for the year). Jake Long is a great offensive tackle. But when you compare his influence on the Dolphins and compare it to Ryan's influence on the Falcons, it isn't even close. Matt Ryan all day long.
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It's one thing if he had a great game vs the Giants and he came up short, but he was downright awful. Not looking downfield, making inaccurate throws, showing his lack of arm strength, getting outchecked by Boley at the LOS, he just had a bad game all over.
That, and his statistics have dropped significantly in all 3 playoff games. He's had 3 bad games now in the playoffs, and not all those Falcons teams were just that bad either. It may not be a trend or anything, but I'm concerned when a franchise QB is good enough to produce in the regular season and get his team to the playoffs, then plays well below average once he gets there.


I'm fine with being in the minority on this one, if Matt Ryan needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 offensive line, and a million weapons around him to win a playoff game, how good is he really? I've heard about all those excuses, you give any decent QB that much help and he'd do well also.


If he had played as well as Stafford had, they probably win that game. Props to the Giants D no doubt, but I guess I'll just have to listen to excuses for Matt Ryan because his team isn't perfect. I'm not waiting for him to win a playoff game, but showing up for one would be nice.
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Matt Ryan.

Miami's offense was just fine at the end of the season with that bust guard from Ole Miss they took in the 3rd round a few years ago filling in at left tackle while Long was hurt.

I think they're both overrated, but at least Ryan can win you some games and who knows, give him a defense and he just might surprise you.
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It depends what players you have. If you have Rodgers or Brees at QB then you take long but if you have Rex Grossman playing then you take Ryan.
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Atlanta, for the first time in their history has made the playoffs 4 years in a row, before they never made it twice in a row even with Vick.

Miami isn't near being a playoff team so taking Long was a huge mistake and who knows when they will be able to correct it. They broke the 'Golden Rule', always take a potential franchise QB if you don't have one, whenever the opportunity arises.

Is it Ryan's fault they haven't won a playoff game or should his HC and OC get some of the blame??? Ditto for Rivers in San Diego, is it his fault they haven't made the playoffs the last 2 years or is it Turner's problem???

I'd take Ryan everyday of the week over Long.
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It depends what players you have. If you have Rodgers or Brees at QB then you take long but if you have Rex Grossman playing then you take Ryan.
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Jake Long. Matt Ryan would not of made a difference in Miami.
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Jake Long. Matt Ryan would not of made a difference in Miami.
Jake Long sure has made a huge difference in Miami.
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They sure did start looking pretty good with Matt Moore and Jake Long though. I'd take that over Matt Ryan & Sam Baker to start my team.
Honestly, I think that actually adds credence to his comment. Matt Moore was playing far better football than Henne and some of it without Long, so it seems QB is clearly more important.

Ryan is still the better choice. QBs make the difference. Great QBs with mediocre tackles can still dominate. The reverse does not hold true.
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Matt Ryan is fooling the organization that they got a good team, like trading for Julio, I mean they completely neglected defensive side of the ball, and overpaid for players, with an Long you aint making those decisions.

We are not talking about QB vs LT, thats easy, go with QB ex Rivers, Rothlesberger etc. were talking about Matt Ryan and Jake Long.

Honestly, Matt Ryan is fools gold doe, man I drafted him thought he would kill it with Julio, Next year, we will see how consistent he is.

I dunno, I rather be in Dolphins position right now then Atlanta, got too much pressure, disappointment, next year when Atlanta makes it to the playoffs, how optimistic/excited you gonna be? can Matt Ryan lead? Really 2 points in a playoff game??? matches Ryans number, i didnt even watch the game, how da fook did they shut the O down.
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And why not? He sure as hell made a difference in Atlanta. Keep in mind this prior to Matt Ryan being drafted, this team had NEVER had back to back winning seasons. That's unheard of. Since he's been drafted, we've never had a losing season. People don't realize how well he played down the stretch this year, sure he ****** the dog in the playoffs, but there was a combination of things that led to this. I'm telling you guys he's going to blow up next season, especially if we get an OC who isn't afraid to mix things up.
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Matt Ryan is fooling the organization that they got a good team, like trading for Julio, I mean they completely neglected defensive side of the ball, and overpaid for players, with an Long you aint making those decisions.

We are not talking about QB vs LT, thats easy, go with QB ex Rivers, Rothlesberger etc. were talking about Matt Ryan and Jake Long.

Honestly, Matt Ryan is fools gold doe, man I drafted him thought he would kill it with Julio, Next year, we will see how consistent he is.

I dunno, I rather be in Dolphins position right now then Atlanta, got too much pressure, disappointment, next year when Atlanta makes it to the playoffs, how optimistic/excited you gonna be? can Matt Ryan lead? Really 2 points in a playoff game??? matches Ryans number, i didnt even watch the game, how da fook did they shut the O down.
It shows. The game wasn't solely on Ryan. Sure, I'll be the first to admit he didn't match his regular season success, but plenty things led to this. The game was called pretty poorly by the OC, the O-Line was awful, Turner couldn't do a thing, and Roddy White dropped four passes. Towards the end when they knew we had to pass, Ryan had no time in the pocket. Again, I'm not saying he played very well, but to put it on him solely is ridiculous. Stats don't always tell the story. You're the classic guy who plays fantasy football with a guy and think that determines the kind of player he is.
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I'm telling you guys he's going to blow up next season, especially if we get an OC who isn't afraid to mix things up.
I am gonna sig this, I thought he was gonna blow up this year, Murlakey staying or going? but the game against the giants, was beyond horrible, Thats performance should not be coming from an experienced team, I watched a couple of games, he doesnt have a good arm, and throws a bad deep ball, so called hurry up apparently hes supposed to be good at is bs lol,

0-3 doe, thats classic, I am staying away from the falcons except Julio, dudes beast, how many deep balls had he caught this year, be reasonable.

why you blaming the 0-line doe>>>> whers that manning in Ryan :hah: Ryan should have been able to overcome that, games happen where there is no run game, cmon son, Ryan doesnt have it, so he needs a good run game, a good oc, good wr, good defense, LMAO Ryan aint worth it, reminds me of what people say of Cassel. how he took his team 11-5 to the playoffs with New England

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I am gonna sig this, I thought he was gonna blow up this year, Murlakey staying or going? but the game against the giants, was beyond horrible, Thats performance should not be coming from an experienced team, I watched a couple of games, he doesnt have a good arm, and throws a bad deep ball, so called hurry up apparently hes supposed to be good at is bs lol,

0-3 doe, thats classic, I am staying away from the falcons except Julio, dudes beast, how many deep balls had he caught this year, be reasonable.
He's great at the hurry up. Mularkey is 50/50 right now by the way. Ryan transitioned slowly into this new offense we have going, compare the first half of this season to the second half. He was a whole different player.
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He's great at the hurry up. Mularkey is 50/50 right now by the way. Ryan transitioned slowly into this new offense we have going, compare the first half of this season to the second half. He was a whole different player.
Alright so next year, Is make or break in your opinion for Matt Ryan?
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Alright so next year, Is make or break in your opinion for Matt Ryan?
lol. I think it's safe to say Bulldogs is sold on Ryan as a good QB. A winning season every year . . . tough to argue otherwise, honestly. His preseason fantasy hype train and subsequent failure to produce fantasy gold are irrelevant.

Every time I saw the Falcons play it looked like a team with an identity crisis on the offensive side. They have the weapons to run a full time passing attack like the other big-boys but don't want to abandon the run game. The two schools conflict and it shows. Get him better protection and open the offense up (Turner is looking too old for the heavy workload anyway) and I think we'd see a pretty sick showing by Ryan.
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I dunno, I rather be in Dolphins position right now then Atlanta, got too much pressure, disappointment, next year when Atlanta makes it to the playoffs, how optimistic/excited you gonna be? can Matt Ryan lead? Really 2 points in a playoff game??? matches Ryans number, i didnt even watch the game, how da fook did they shut the O down.
So let me get this straight. You have the choice of two teams. The first is a team who will have four different coaches in seven seasons, no franchise QB in over a decade, no good chance of getting one in the draft this season, and one playoff appearance in the last ten years. The second team has a QB who has led them to four winning seasons and three playoff appearances in his first four years and the same coach for the last four years. And you would choose the first team? That is ridiculous.
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Matt Ryan. You never pass on a potential franchise QB for an elite LT....NEVER. Last I check these top contenders have an above average/good LT but a franchise QB.
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Matt Ryan and this shouldn't and can't be argued.

As a Redskins fan, I saw Trent Williams play as well as any Left Tackle in the league this year (took him a couple games to get going). Ultimately, whether Rex Grossman had 5 more seconds or not, we were still going to lose the game with or without Trent.

If Matt Ryan is throwing the ball behind backup Willie Smith, we actually have a chance to win the game.

Left Tackles come AFTER franchise quarterbacks, unfortunately for some teams (Redskins included), there was no franchise quarterback available.
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For my team I think Long would offer a much bigger bigger improvement than Ryan but if I was starting a franchise from scratch it would be a harder choice. I suppose I would lean towards Ryan, even though Long is much better at his position, because I have always found the LT position to be incredibly overrated. With bad players on offense a great LT isn't going to make much of a difference. With bad players an average QB can have a greater impact.
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For my team I think Long would offer a much bigger bigger improvement than Ryan but if I was starting a franchise from scratch it would be a harder choice. I suppose I would lean towards Ryan, even though Long is much better at his position, because I have always found the LT position to be incredibly overrated. With bad players on offense a great LT isn't going to make much of a difference. With bad players an average QB can have a greater impact.
Answered your own question man, there's just no way to justify a franchise left tackle over a franchise quarterback. Matt Ryan isn't even that great of a franchise quarterback so far in his young career, but you still make the playoffs every year.
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So let me get this straight. You have the choice of two teams. The first is a team who will have four different coaches in seven seasons, no franchise QB in over a decade, no good chance of getting one in the draft this season, and one playoff appearance in the last ten years. The second team has a QB who has led them to four winning seasons and three playoff appearances in his first four years and the same coach for the last four years. And you would choose the first team? That is ridiculous.

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