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Old 01-13-2012, 03:54 PM    (permalink
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It didn't hurt with Harbaugh and Alex Smith, Solid HC's get the maximum out of their QB's. I fully expect the Rams to win close to 8 games next year before taking off for the better.
There is more talent on their roster than people think and a San Fran turnaround isn't out of the equation if Bradford comes through.
49ers already had talented players. Vernon Davis, Justin Smith, Navorro Bowman, Dashon Goldson, Frank Gore, Ahmad Brooks, Michael Crabtree, etc. What talented players are on the Rams? I can think of just a handful. Laurinaitis and Long on defense. On offense I can only think of Steven Jackson who is getting up there in age. And Lloyd might be gone...not that he was that great to begin with.

Going from 6-10 to 13-3 is pretty good.

But from 2-14 to somewhere around 12 or 13 wins is nearly impossible.
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I really don't want to discredit Bill, but when you have Tom Brady upright, in his prime, 10 wins minimum is sort of expected. Alot of seasons both guys had a lot to do with the succes, but without Brady playing out of his mind the Pats dont win 9 games this season IMO.
I think this is also one of the big problems. Whenever a team has a Brady or Manning, they are constantly drafting late. And filling the blanks with top tier free agents isn't really a constant option because eventually you'll run out of money doing that.

The Patriots probably wouldn't be very successful without Brady, but they would at least be drafting high enough to restock their talent.

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BB has had his coaching staffs decimated by other teams including his management team. It is bound to effect the continuity of his teams and made it much more difficult to maintain success.
While I agree that his drafting may be questioned recently, nevertheless, 13-3 isn't bad IMO.
It's hard to have any success without much continuity. Combine that with constant late picks and you have a recipe for under talented teams that rely heavily on complex schemes and the 1 core player on the team, Tom Brady.
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I really don't want to discredit Bill, but when you have Tom Brady upright, in his prime, 10 wins minimum is sort of expected. Alot of seasons both guys had a lot to do with the succes, but without Brady playing out of his mind the Pats dont win 9 games this season IMO.
I could say the same thing about NO with Brees or GN with Rodgers, it is what you do with talent that puts you up there as a HC, ask Turner in San Diego.
I have questioned his draft tactics recently and suggested he needs to focus more on the immediate before Brady is done, but it is hard to argue with 13 wins until we see the playoff results.
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49ers already had talented players. Vernon Davis, Justin Smith, Navorro Bowman, Dashon Goldson, Frank Gore, Ahmad Brooks, Michael Crabtree, etc. What talented players are on the Rams? I can think of just a handful. Laurinaitis and Long on defense. On offense I can only think of Steven Jackson who is getting up there in age. And Lloyd might be gone...not that he was that great to begin with.

Going from 6-10 to 13-3 is pretty good.

But from 2-14 to somewhere around 12 or 13 wins is nearly impossible.


Rams have lots of talent, they just need to stay healthy and fill in a few holes.

These are players you can build around:

QB- Bradford
RB-Sjax
WR- Amendola
WR-DX
WR-Salas
WR-Pettis
TE-Kendricks
LT-Saffold
RT-Smith (if he stays healthy)
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DE-Long
DE-Quinn
MLB-Lariunitus
CB- Bartell
CB-Fletcher
CB-Murphy
S-Mikell
S- Stewart

If they can trade down from the #2 pick, they can acquire several other picks. It won't take a competent GM very long to turn this around. With a good draft I could see them 8-8 in the 1st year.
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Rams have lots of talent, they just need to stay healthy and fill in a few holes.

These are players you can build around:

QB- Bradford
RB-Sjaxyou can't build around him, he is almost done
WR- Amendolaslot reciver
WR-DXalways injured and has no knees
WR-Salasslot receiver
WR-Pettis Sucks
TE-Kendricks awful
LT-Saffold
RT-Smith (if he stays healthy)Still believe in him? wow
OG-Dahl

DE-Long
DE-Quinn
MLB-Lariunitus
CB- Bartell
CB-Fletcher
CB-MurphyThe 3rd corner?
S-Mikell
S- Stewartwho?

If they can trade down from the #2 pick, they can acquire several other picks. It won't take a competent GM very long to turn this around. With a good draft I could see them 8-8 in the 1st year.
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Writing off rookies is not very smart.
Sjax has several more years. His style doesn't require speed
Stewart is a promising young safety
Kendricks showed flashes of being a beast. He will be a stud
Jason Smith is very good when healthy.
Murphy is a good 3rd CB. You need several good CB's these days
Pettis doesn't suck. See point #1
Salas looks legit.

Like I said, trade down from #2 and acquire several picks. The Rams could have 6-7 picks in the first 3 rounds. They could turn this around rather quickly. BTW- when healthy in 2010, the Rams were 3 plays away from 10-6.
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Writing off rookies is not very smart.
Sjax has several more years. His style doesn't require speed
Stewart is a promising young safety
Kendricks showed flashes of being a beast. He will be a stud
Jason Smith is very good when healthy.
Murphy is a good 3rd CB. You need several good CB's these days
Pettis doesn't suck. See point #1
Salas looks legit.

Like I said, trade down from #2 and acquire several picks. The Rams could have 6-7 picks in the first 3 rounds. They could turn this around rather quickly. BTW- when healthy in 2010, the Rams were 3 plays away from 10-6.
You can't be serious about Jackson. Kendricks sucks I don't know where you saw those flashes. Jason is so good that he get benched when he is healthy, I guess they were trying to save him for next season. Salas is a slot WR which is the same position Danny plays. You can't build around 2 slot WR's. Pettis sucks, he wasn't the best WR on his own team in college.
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Sjax could easily play 3-4 more years. He's a bruiser in phenomenal shape. He won't be the only guy like he is now, but he will still see plenty of touches. A 2 back system is the way to go anyway. I wouldn't mind the Rams trading down and drafting Richardson either. But, if they are smart, they will trade down twice and acquire numerous picks. RG3 is going to be the hottest thing going after the combine.

Also, don't be so quick to write off Kendricks and Pettis. And yes, Kendricks showed lots of promise. It's silly to judge rookies too hard.
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Neither was Reggie Wayne
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Greg Williams is probably joining him. That could really hurt New Orleans....
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Fisher has had a year to put together his staff. He wouldn't jump back in if he wasn't confident he could put a good one. I wonder who his OC will be ? I have faith in his defensive mind and who his coaches will be, I only worry about the inept offense. The Rams have more talent on D too already in place. Should be an interesting off season in St.Louis for sure.
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Also want to mention how much more attractive the Rams are with Fisher as HC, especially to his former players who love him. And, the Rams have mega cap room starting on 2013. They will have 15+ this year and have over 50 mill next year of room. Should be a quick turnaround for them.
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Yay, they were going after Horton much rather them have Fisher at HC than us not having Horton as DC

And the Rams aren't close to being contenders they are in rebuild mode. If there is a team willing to trade up for RG3 they need to take the deal despite needing a LT badly
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Why would he make a lateral move to a worse team? Unless he'd be getting a lot more money, I wouldn't see the incentive.
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Why would he make a lateral move to a worse team? Unless he'd be getting a lot more money, I wouldn't see the incentive.


He and Fisher are very close friends. Multimillionaire Kroenke will pay for good coaches too. There is no way Fisher jumps in without his buddies backing him.
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Love this move. To all saying **** about it, who the **** else could of we gotten? This isn't a rhetorical question but there really isn't an answer. We've tried three straight coordinators with no prior HC performance the last three times, and what did that get us? Some jackass who shall not be named being our best coach this century so far.
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Writing off rookies is not very smart.
Sjax has several more years. His style doesn't require speed
Stewart is a promising young safety
Kendricks showed flashes of being a beast. He will be a stud
Jason Smith is very good when healthy.
Murphy is a good 3rd CB. You need several good CB's these days
Pettis doesn't suck. See point #1
Salas looks legit.

Like I said, trade down from #2 and acquire several picks. The Rams could have 6-7 picks in the first 3 rounds. They could turn this around rather quickly. BTW- when healthy in 2010, the Rams were 3 plays away from 10-6.
Big backs like Jackson start to wear down around 30 and those guys seem to be the first to fall to the mat in my opinion. Guys like Eddie George, Jerome Bettis, Emmitt Smith, etc. start to average around 3 yards a carry instead of 4. Especially if you take Jackson's situation into account. He's had a lot of good years and every team is always stacking eight in the box to stop him because they don't fear the pass from the Rams passing game. He'll be 29, but I think he'll start to wear down either next season or the year after. When big backs lose the speed they have, I think it's easier to stop them.
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Fisher's first move will be to extend Steven Jackson.
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By the way, why are some many folks sold on Sam Bradford in the media? I've only watched him play a few times, but in those few times he's looked pretty bad. I know he doesn't really have anyone to throw the ball to, but regardless he's averaged 6.0 yards per attempt in passing the last couple of seasons. Obviously he's going to need a lot more help around him to see his full potential, but everyone I've heard on media outlets already seem to believe that St.Louis has solved their quarterback situation and that Bradford had a good rookie season. In my opinion it wasn't that great, even for a rookie.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:16 PM    (permalink
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By the way, why are some many folks sold on Sam Bradford in the media? I've only watched him play a few times, but in those few times he's looked pretty bad. I know he doesn't really have anyone to throw the ball to, but regardless he's averaged 6.0 yards per attempt in passing the last couple of seasons. Obviously he's going to need a lot more help around him to see his full potential, but everyone I've heard on media outlets already seem to believe that St.Louis has solved their quarterback situation and that Bradford had a good rookie season. In my opinion it wasn't that great, even for a rookie.
Well compared to Chad ******* Henne, Sam Bradford is fanfuckingtastic.
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Well compared to Chad ******* Henne, Sam Bradford is fanfuckingtastic.
What does Chad Henne have to do with this?
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What does Chad Henne have to do with this?
Oh Gee maybe the fact Fisher had the choice of the Dolphins and Rams.....
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Oh Gee maybe the fact Fisher had the choice of the Dolphins and Rams.....
Pretty sure Matt Moore has that starting job locked up next year unless they bring in someone else.
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Pretty sure Matt Moore has that starting job locked up next year unless they bring in someone else.
Still would rather have Bradford.
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