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Old 01-16-2012, 02:35 PM    (permalink
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Not sure if i worded my response right to start with. Here it is, You arent going anywhere with T.J. Yates, not now not 5 years from now.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Not sure if i worded my response right to start with. Here it is, You arent going anywhere with T.J. Yates, not now not 5 years from now.
I completely disagree with this line of thinking. You probably would have said the same thing about Matt Flynn if he was thrust into playing as a rookie too, yet now he's likely going to be a franchise QB for a team, and quite a few teams are going to be interested in him. That's the whole point in "developing" a QB which is what you said. Yates was a 5th round pick, and he nearly took this Texans team to the AFC championship game, but we are supposed to assume he won't get any better sitting for another 2-3 years?


They have Matt Schaub now, a guy like Tannehill isn't even a remote possibility. Why in the world would Houston take a QB in the 1st round? And if you are saying they need to "develop" a QB for the future, could you give me some sort of scenario that makes sense for them to do?


Your post was pretty straight forward but not sure it's backed by much. You said they aren't going anywhere with Yates, yet they went pretty far with him this year and he had very little to no development which is exactly what he needs.


Flynn won't be starting until his 5th season, how many people thought he was a franchise QB, or starting caliber guy coming out of LSU? He's consistently improved and gotten better. People seem to be so impatient with QB's now and if you don't set the world on fire as a rookie, or weren't drafted in the 1st round somehow your just a scrub.
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I get some of what Babylon is trying to say.

Yates is a good QB to have on the roster when you have Schaub. But if Schaub wasn't on the roster I wouldn't put all my chips on Yates at this moment.
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Neither would the Texans, which is why he wasnt even on the active roster for most of the season. He was forced into the job via two injuries.
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Houston should be doing everything in their power to resign him. If one thing has been proved in this league is that you can never have enough pass rushers and Williams isn't just a pass rusher. He's just a dominant force and keeping him on that defense, along with Barwin and Reed on the outside with Ryans and Cushing on the inside is just sick.
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Tough question because it all depends on their cap problems if they have any.
I could see him traded vs a vie Julius Peppers, for the same kind of compensation.
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Schaub was never as good as Matty Flynn.
Then trade Schaub to Seattle for a high pick.
I swear I see that you have posted and this is the dialogue that goes on in my brain.

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I understand the argument that you won't get a first for him if you are going to have to pay him crazy money... but you know someone will do it for the rights to signing this guy.

People trade 1st (sometimes multiple) to sign the rights to a guy who is completely unproven every year.
Agreed there are at least a dozen teams who would love to gain Williams' services.

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I don't know if the right deal came along like say Browns trade first rounders for the Williams throw in enter Justin Blackmon across from Andre the offense becomes deadly.
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You guys think the Browns would trade a 4th overall pick for Williams?

The market has already been set for this kind of trade. When Allen was sent from KC to Minny. If I remember it was a 1st ( 15th overall ) and two 3rd's.

Williams coming off a injury maybe, maybe makes him a little cheaper. But not much.

So I'm thinking a mid first rounder and a 3rd rounder gets a deal done if Houston wants to let him go.
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Trading the 4th overall pick of the NFL Draft for an outside linebacker coming off a significant injury would not be a good idea.
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I completely disagree with this line of thinking. You probably would have said the same thing about Matt Flynn if he was thrust into playing as a rookie too, yet now he's likely going to be a franchise QB for a team, and quite a few teams are going to be interested in him. That's the whole point in "developing" a QB which is what you said. Yates was a 5th round pick, and he nearly took this Texans team to the AFC championship game, but we are supposed to assume he won't get any better sitting for another 2-3 years?


They have Matt Schaub now, a guy like Tannehill isn't even a remote possibility. Why in the world would Houston take a QB in the 1st round? And if you are saying they need to "develop" a QB for the future, could you give me some sort of scenario that makes sense for them to do?


Your post was pretty straight forward but not sure it's backed by much. You said they aren't going anywhere with Yates, yet they went pretty far with him this year and he had very little to no development which is exactly what he needs.


Flynn won't be starting until his 5th season, how many people thought he was a franchise QB, or starting caliber guy coming out of LSU? He's consistently improved and gotten better. People seem to be so impatient with QB's now and if you don't set the world on fire as a rookie, or weren't drafted in the 1st round somehow your just a scrub.
Gee and you have been so hard on me for saying Sanchez still has a shot at a breakout season. You should follow your own advise, it is pretty solid if you ask me. After all, Yates started for many seasons in college while Sanchez had about 12 starts but Yates can get better but Sanchez cannot with added experience. H...mmm.
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He would play RDE but whatever... I seriously doubt it would happen and if it did, i believe the 22nd overall would be more of a discussion.
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He would play RDE but whatever... I seriously doubt it would happen and if it did, i believe the 22nd overall would be more of a discussion.
I think the Browns should be more concerned at quarterback. I'm guessing the organization has given up on Colt McCoy.
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Thats what I was saying... No way in hell does the Bowns trade that 4th pick
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Gee and you have been so hard on me for saying Sanchez still has a shot at a breakout season. You should follow your own advise, it is pretty solid if you ask me. After all, Yates started for many seasons in college while Sanchez had about 12 starts but Yates can get better but Sanchez cannot with added experience. H...mmm.
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Tough question because it all depends on their cap problems if they have any.
I could see him traded vs a vie Julius Peppers, for the same kind of compensation.
Am I the only one who caught this? Julius Peppers was certainly not traded. He signed with Chicago as a FA, Carolina recouped nothing for him. Still one of the worst FO moves I've ever seen. I have no idea how you just let a player of that magnitude walk.

As for Mario Williams, imagine if he came to Baltimore. We'd never be able to afford him, as Suggs and Ngata have enormous contracts and we have to resign Flacco, Rice and Grubbs, but I get a full on erection picturing Suggs and Super Mario coming off the edge rushing QBs.
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I don't think they would trade the #4 strait up. but #4 overall for the Texans 1st and Mario. If Blackmon is there I could see it. Yes the Browns need a QB but if St. Louis trades down or if Minny trades down Griffin may be gone and Tannehill isn't going 4 overall.
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I don't think they would trade the #4 strait up. but #4 overall for the Texans 1st and Mario. If Blackmon is there I could see it. Yes the Browns need a QB but if St. Louis trades down or if Minny trades down Griffin may be gone and Tannehill isn't going 4 overall.
They might trade their 23rd or 24th pick w/e they got from the falcons but not the 4th pick in the draft for a 80 plus million dollar DE coming off a season ending injury.
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Not sure why we're only talking about the Browns. The Bears, among others, would be all over this.

Honestly is there anything more jizzworthy than Peppers and Super Mario on the same line?
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Am I the only one who caught this? Julius Peppers was certainly not traded. He signed with Chicago as a FA, Carolina recouped nothing for him. Still one of the worst FO moves I've ever seen. I have no idea how you just let a player of that magnitude walk.
This is just going off the top of my head and i may be wrong, but the deal he had made with the Panthers was that after getting tagged twice (or three times?) he would only sign the franchise tag if he was guaranteed not to be tagged the next year to become a FA.
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I highly doubt the Texans trade Mario. Unless they have some serious cap issues, anyway.

Give up a huge stud so you can roll w/Barwin & Reed? No thanks. Take the beastly rotation / depth and try and prove you're as dominant as the numbers show this year. Winning a division ends the cake schedules, as you now have to face better competition in the form of other division winners.
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I highly doubt the Texans trade Mario. Unless they have some serious cap issues, anyway.

Give up a huge stud so you can roll w/Barwin & Reed? No thanks. Take the beastly rotation / depth and try and prove you're as dominant as the numbers show this year. Winning a division ends the cake schedules, as you now have to face better competition in the form of other division winners.
Two things for me. What is it going to take to sign him and what can i get in a trade. You already know you have one of the better defenses around and may be able to use that big chip to add one of the better receivers available, at that point i'd be interested.
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Two things for me. What is it going to take to sign him and what can i get in a trade. You already know you have one of the better defenses around and may be able to use that big chip to add one of the better receivers available, at that point i'd be interested.
As long as Peyton wears a Colts uniform, SuperMario sticks around.

Obviously, for the right deal it can happen, I just don't see it.

But, sure, put me squarely in the "Hell yes - trade him to my team!" camp. lol
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