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Old 01-17-2012, 03:41 PM    (permalink
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I highly doubt the Texans trade Mario. Unless they have some serious cap issues, anyway.

Give up a huge stud so you can roll w/Barwin & Reed? No thanks. Take the beastly rotation / depth and try and prove you're as dominant as the numbers show this year. Winning a division ends the cake schedules, as you now have to face better competition in the form of other division winners.

They need to sign Foster... I think the RT as well.
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Gee and you have been so hard on me for saying Sanchez still has a shot at a breakout season. You should follow your own advise, it is pretty solid if you ask me. After all, Yates started for many seasons in college while Sanchez had about 12 starts but Yates can get better but Sanchez cannot with added experience. H...mmm.
Lol really? Yea, silly me, thinking a rookie 5th round QB would have the nerve to get better after his rookie season. What was I thinking...
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This is just going off the top of my head and i may be wrong, but the deal he had made with the Panthers was that after getting tagged twice (or three times?) he would only sign the franchise tag if he was guaranteed not to be tagged the next year to become a FA.
Same thing happened with Haynesworth in Tennessee.
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You guys think the Browns would trade a 4th overall pick for Williams?

The market has already been set for this kind of trade. When Allen was sent from KC to Minny. If I remember it was a 1st ( 15th overall ) and two 3rd's.

Williams coming off a injury maybe, maybe makes him a little cheaper. But not much.

So I'm thinking a mid first rounder and a 3rd rounder gets a deal done if Houston wants to let him go.
We need an upgrade at RDE but we will use the 4th overall or try and trade it for a QB before we ever used it to trade for Williams. #4 overall and a massive contract won't happen. Now if you said #22 from ATL that's different.

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Lol really? Yea, silly me, thinking a rookie 5th round QB would have the nerve to get better after his rookie season. What was I thinking...
Word of advice, just ignore IAC - everyone else does. he's like Skip Bayless in the fact nobody likes him, contradicts himself and has outlandish opinions with accuracy worse than a weatherman.

For everyone talking about Browns QB - Heckert (who pretty much shoots straight in interviews thus far, hardly any smoke) was quick to defend McCoy and stated he thinks he'll come back a better QB next year.
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Can't have too many pass rushers? Why not extend him?
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Can't have too many pass rushers? Why not extend him?
They may not be able too. Houston isn't rolling in cap space and they have other free agents including Foster. The defense played fine without him, so he may be a casualty of a sign and trade or just won't be resigned. Franchise tag will be over 20 mil I believe.
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They may not be able too. Houston isn't rolling in cap space and they have other free agents including Foster. The defense played fine without him, so he may be a casualty of a sign and trade or just won't be resigned. Franchise tag will be over 20 mil I believe.
Oh, well then..Still not good letting pass rushers go. It's too bad we can't sign him with JPP and Tuck! Now that would be great, but i am afraid we may need to save tons of money for JPP and a Julius Peppers type contract for him, if he keeps up this pace of production.
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I say Williams is as good as gone. Dont see the Texans re-signing him or franchising him. Think that he'll go to a 4-3 based team so he can go back to playing DE. Texans dont need him and were good without him. Could use that money elsewhere.
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I say Williams is as good as gone. Dont see the Texans re-signing him or franchising him. Think that he'll go to a 4-3 based team so he can go back to playing DE. Texans dont need him and were good without him. Could use that money elsewhere.

I can tell you flat out that they will get something for him if they chose not to pay him big money.
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I can tell you flat out that they will get something for him if they chose not to pay him big money.
How? He's a free agent that is going to demand a big $ contract and like you said if Houston decides to not give him that money and to resign other players he's available to the highest bidder.
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How? He's a free agent that is going to demand a big $ contract and like you said if Houston decides to not give him that money and to resign other players he's available to the highest bidder.
Tag and trade?
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He is staying with the Texans Kubiack(sp?) said they are going to try to sign him to a long-term deal.
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I think he stays in Houston. He has already stated he wants to work out a contract that is beneficial to him and the team. He knows he has been the only player on the d-line since he was drafted that was worth a damn. His personality isnt of the make up of being the "man." With the pressure off and other players to focus on MW will put up monster numbers. In his first 5 games in a new system with a truncated off season he put up 5 sacks, and directly caused 2 interceptions. Those plays are off the top of my head. The guy was a beast in those 5 games and would have only gotten better as he got more comfortable in the system.

Additionally Barwin and Reed played every single defensive snap after MW went down. If either one of those guys would have missed time we would have been screwed monumentally.

MW will probably get a 7 year $70-80 million deal.
Foster will get a 5-6 year $38-45 million deal.
Meyer will be resigned as well.

We have the cap room to do, and a few guys will be let go becuase of it. Plus many of our players have consistently volunteered to rework contracts so that impact players could remain. The contracts will more than likely be back load playing into the cap, which is estimated to increase significantly in the coming years as it is tied to revenue and there will be a new TV deal being negotiated.

The real question becomes what do we do with Schuab after 2012 when his contract is up.

They will draft a WR in round 1, Kendall Wright/A.Jefferies, etc...
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Regardless of their comments, their top priority is going to be signing Arian Foster. I know they can tender him, but he's not going to play next year at his scheduled rate, especially after battling some injuries this past season. Their team turned from a pass happy team to a run heavy team that plays defense, I'd bet he gets taken care of first.
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I think he stays in Houston. He has already stated he wants to work out a contract that is beneficial to him and the team. He knows he has been the only player on the d-line since he was drafted that was worth a damn. His personality isnt of the make up of being the "man." With the pressure off and other players to focus on MW will put up monster numbers. In his first 5 games in a new system with a truncated off season he put up 5 sacks, and directly caused 2 interceptions. Those plays are off the top of my head. The guy was a beast in those 5 games and would have only gotten better as he got more comfortable in the system.

Additionally Barwin and Reed played every single defensive snap after MW went down. If either one of those guys would have missed time we would have been screwed monumentally.

MW will probably get a 7 year $70-80 million deal.
Foster will get a 5-6 year $38-45 million deal.
Meyer will be resigned as well.

We have the cap room to do, and a few guys will be let go becuase of it. Plus many of our players have consistently volunteered to rework contracts so that impact players could remain. The contracts will more than likely be back load playing into the cap, which is estimated to increase significantly in the coming years as it is tied to revenue and there will be a new TV deal being negotiated.

The real question becomes what do we do with Schuab after 2012 when his contract is up.

They will draft a WR in round 1, Kendall Wright/A.Jefferies, etc...
Really excited about their future there. So does Mario play the 3-4 DE or are they going to try him at olb? The latter probably means Barwin or Reed see much reduced PT.
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Didn't he have 5 sacks in 5 games at OLB? I think they'll go a rotation if they keep him. With the way that NFL defenses are staying in Nickel these days Mario will probably spend most time with his hand down rushing the passer with Barwin or Reed at the other DE and perhaps another occasionally at one of their LB spots in the nickel package?
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Didn't he have 5 sacks in 5 games at OLB? I think they'll go a rotation if they keep him. With the way that NFL defenses are staying in Nickel these days Mario will probably spend most time with his hand down rushing the passer with Barwin or Reed at the other DE and perhaps another occasionally at one of their LB spots in the nickel package?
Yeah, I wouldn't get too hung up about the 3-4. In this sub package heavy league, he'd only be playing LB when Houston plays their base defense, and he can probably hold up fine for however many snaps that is.
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Yeah, I wouldn't get too hung up about the 3-4. In this sub package heavy league, he'd only be playing LB when Houston plays their base defense, and he can probably hold up fine for however many snaps that is.
People said this as soon as Wade Phillips was hired, it's nothing new. Wade knows how to fit his defense to his players, not the other way around. Only difference is Mario will rush the passer standing up more then anything, but it's not like his responsibilities changed all that much. He's still primarily coming off the edge and rushing the passer, just in more exotic then traditional looks.
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I could see him ending up in Jacksonville for the same reason Paul Posluszny ended up in Jacksonville...He likes 4-3 better than standing up
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Yeah but then they have to play in Jacksonville...Nobody wants to go there.
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he should come to the giants, we could always use more pass rushers.
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he should come to the giants, we could always use more pass rushers.
Kiwi/Mario rotation at SLB. Yeah, I think that could work. :D
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I think they keep him at OLB. Creating a rotation with Reed and Barwin. Then they put his hand down in passing situations.

MW on one end, A.Smith over the nose, Watt on the other end. With Reed and Barwin off the edge, Cushing in the middle, and the nickel package in on passing situations would be almost unblockable.
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